Kate McKinnon

[00:00] This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking your pockets before putting clothes in the washer? [00:09] Oof. Enjoy your freshly cleaned and completely destroyed earbuds. Yeah, checking first is a good plan. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. [00:29] Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have a great, hilarious guest today, the amazing Kate McKinnon. Kate, who you know from SNL and films and the world, and Kate and I go on an adventure and we're going to talk about woodworking. We're going to talk about sketch. We're going to talk about what do you do next when you have... [00:51] fulfilled your dream. And in Kate's case, it's homesteading and being in the movie The Roses and writing the second book in her Millicent Quibb series. So I'm so excited to talk to Kate today. And before we do, always we check in with someone who knows our guest, who has a question for our guest. And we have a great one today. Kate's [01:12] fellow cast member, her chosen sister. You know her from SNL, from Shrill. She's an incredible comedian and actress and writer and person. [01:22] 80 Bryant. 80? [01:25] Hi!

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[03:19] Have been on SNL. Do you have a guess first? A jelly bean jar guess? Okay, yeah. Let's guess before. Okay, I won't look. [03:28] Three. You just say like... [03:31] 140? Is that wrong? Yes, 167. [03:37] Come on. That's a black box theater, honey. That's just a full black box theater. [03:44] You always see everything in theater sizes. That's the stadium. [03:51] But yeah, but I was thinking about like, it's, it is, it's, it's a, it's a great group. It's like, like of which I'm very proud to be a part of. And I know you are too. Same. Oh my God. Yeah. It's like very overwhelming to me. [04:04] if I think about it at all. I know. Me too. And you and Kate McKinnon, our guests today, were there at the same time. And the people, especially the women that you are there with at the same time, means a lot. So... [04:20] Tell everybody, when did you guys start? When did you start? [04:24] Were you starting at the same year? Yeah, well, she had kind of a weird thing where she started like five shows at the end of the previous season. Maya Rudolph did that too. Maya started at like the end of a season. [04:40] Which that seems like so stressful to me. I kind of don't know how she did it because she also like came in alone in that moment. But I think Kate and I, we shared an office and also just...

[04:53] We both are like scared. And I think we both were also like we like are both extroverts for our jobs, but I think we're both kind of secretly like introverts who like to be extroverts. [05:06] quiet and hidden. And so we were we bonded over that, I think. It's funny you say that. That was one of the questions I had for her today is how she managed. [05:18] being in such an extroverted job as an obvious introvert, because I really find her to be a genuine introvert. [05:26] Yeah, I mean, I think... [05:28] in some ways, like, [05:30] it's part of her genius is like, she's almost like a recluse who has to go and have like time, um, [05:38] But then it's so fruitful. Like I, I mean, once, like one of the first times I went to her apartment, I was like, oh, my God, what are all these cool paintings? And she was like, I did this, you know, and I was like, what, you know, and same like, or we would be writing a sketch. And then she would be like, well, get a keyboard and then like be playing a full and you're like, wait, you play the piano. And then like, she was like, well, I do play the cello to like it just, she is like, oh, she is like a [06:08] sneaky freak who has a million skills and talents, kind of like a savant kind of thing. And [06:17] That's why she's, like, mysterious in that way. She is. She definitely is like an onion. Like, she... And it also...

[06:26] Not to make it about me, but I'm feeling such shame about the fact that if I knew how to play the cello, you would know it, babe. [06:33] You'd know it. You'd know it day one. [06:36] no i see him everywhere i go i'd be like well i do cello but i do piano too [06:44] And I painted a little on the side. But anyway, let's get back to you. Like I would say it would be on my guess. I'm sorry. I'm one of the greatest sketch comedians of all time, too. [06:53] That's just like the other thing I do. And I can build tables and garden and like, I'll take a, I'll take a grande latte, please. I know there's, she is. And I have to say, I find this with you too. Both of you guys have a very calm, um, energy that's like, [07:15] draws you in you neither one of you you're very like come hither come hither [07:23] That is what everyone always says about me. I'm sexy kind of come here. You are, babe. Because you both are like... [07:31] There's not a lot of push there. [07:34] There's not a lot of push. Well, you know, I think we really helped each other in that way because like, [07:41] You know, especially when you get to SNL, it's so overwhelming. It's like so cool. And I think sometimes we both would have the instinct of like, is it okay for me to leave this party and go home? And we often for each other were like, I would like to. Let's go. You know, we gave each other permission to like be the ones to go first, basically. That's actually a good friendship. That was really helpful at times, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

[08:11] to be thought of as come hither. That is like... [08:14] That might be my new cello. Come hither. Miss Paula thinks I'm a come hither. [08:21] Cut to your cosmetic brand, come hither. Come hither, baby. And then you're like, where is it being sold? [08:30] I'll never tell. [08:36] Before I get to your question for Kate, I'll be right back. [08:39] What's the first stuff you did together and wrote together? You know, one of the first things I think we really started, like... [08:46] putting our heads together on stuff were those like girl music videos that we would do kind of like [08:52] Twin Bed, I think, was one of the first ones. And then... [08:57] We did like back home ballers and a couple after that. But that was like one of our first, like we both were like, ooh. [09:02] We like music and let's try this, you know. Did you shoot them at the Douglas house? [09:09] Bye. [09:10] Yes, awesome. I feel like our generation was some of the last to still go to the Douglas House because they don't go there anymore. For people listening, the Douglas House was just like a big house about 45 minutes outside of the city where if you watch in the 90s and 2000s, every commercial was shot at. Every fake commercial was shot at. Schmidt's Gang, like all the Oops, I Crap My Pants, all those were there. [09:40] And just so many mornings, like super tired at the Douglas house. Completely. Also, like, I would lay in their rooms as if they were my own. Just so rudely. Like, I would never do that if I was shooting in someone's house now. But at that time, I was like, I got to lay on the floor in here, on someone's couch or bed. I don't know. You got to know how anything works. So I was like, our space.

[10:10] What I love about [10:12] watching you on the show and all the women of SNL and Kate too is awesome. [10:17] And she's just like never worried. [10:22] When you perform like never always feeling super relaxed that you're in control of what you're doing, that you have like a deep sense of play and like. [10:33] And something natural does happen, I think, is the longer you're there, which is just like you get a good case of like the fuck it's like, who cares? Like, let's just try 100 percent. And you and Kate as seniors were really fun together. Well, we were like doing bad behavior, basically. Like what? What was your bad? Just I feel like she I mean, she's the number one culprit of this in my life. [10:58] time at SNL, which was she would basically perform [11:01] so funny during the week, so funny during rehearsal. And then at dress, or I mean at air, [11:07] It was just something you had never seen before. And I would be, you know, like eye to eye with her or whatever. And I'd be like, this bitch is letting it rip. And I'm just like at her mercy, you know. So fun. It's a thrill, you know. Well, I'm excited to talk to her today. And also like a little, I'm intrigued by Kate always because Kate is like has a million hobbies and interests. [11:37] as a person. She's not like a, she's not like a, you can actually go pretty deep and go into these

[11:43] crevices of her mind. So I'm excited to get there. But what do you think? Do you have any question for her today that you think she might want to be asked or? [11:53] you know, a story she might want to tell or anything you think you'd want to know? [12:00] Well, it's funny because I feel like knowing her, I'm like, there's no question she wants to be asked. I've already heard that she's like, she told someone I know she was like, Amy's going to look into my soul. And I don't want that. She doesn't want to do this interview. She's going to be wants to do no interviews, by the way. I know. Okay. [12:22] I'm stalling. I guess my question is, like, what's her perfect day of solitude, which might include, like... [12:32] an indoor activity, probably an outdoor activity, knowing her and also like a meal she would make just for herself. I feel like that's like where she's in her flow state. And I'm like, what's she doing? What's her dream version of that? Or even, you know, how she spends her time like that? That is such a good question. Because [12:58] Asking somebody about what their... [13:00] you know, quote unquote, kind of perfect day tells you so much about them. And, you know, [13:07] I definitely feel like Kate's perfect day is amazing. [13:10] A solo day. Which I, like, respect massively. Totally. That's a fantastic question. Wait, I feel like there's one last question you should ask, Kate. This is just a loose one, but ask her what she used to carry her hair extensions in.

[13:25] I don't know what the answer might be, but I think she might remember what she used to cart those around in. Perfect. Can't wait. All right, Aidy, thank you so much for getting on. It's so great to see you. Your come hither attitude is great. [13:46] It just drew me in from minute one, babe. Well, come hither anytime you wish. Say hi to Connor. Lots of love. Okay. Bye. [13:59] Oh, my God. Wait, McKinnon. [14:04] Wait, what's going on with this water? [14:10] Oh, it's just water. [14:14] Talk to me about this. [14:16] Do you try to get through this once a day? I try. I put it away for months at a time. And then I say, where's my jug? Oh, my God. How many gallons is in here? This is one gallon. Actually, this is not full, but you can see... [14:32] This is nice. [14:35] And do you try to get a gallon a day? I do. I mean, when I'm doing – when I'm being – [14:41] Good and cool. Yeah. That's why your skin is so good. It's this gallon jug. It's... Thank you. [14:50] Um... [14:50] Yeah, no, it's good because it weighs 25 pounds when fall. So you're getting bit whatever this is. And it's really good in a Zoom because your Zoom is flagging. And then you bring this into frame without introing it.

[15:15] That's another five minutes of material for your Zoom. [15:20] Thank you so much. Here, you can... May I? I'm just going to put it over here for continuity. Yeah. So we can make sure that it doesn't... As Lauren say, co-star. Okay. I know. Thank you. Yes. Let the audience come to you. When in doubt, seduce and keep your jug on the floor. Try to get your jugs all the way to the floor if you get... Hi, friend. Hi. You're beautiful. [15:50] You're here. I know that you do not like to do interviews. Well, and my first question is just something very, very simple, which is what is God's plan for us? [16:04] God has gone. God has jumped ship. God is taking a different universe. God was like, I was like, yikes. [16:20] Yeah, we are D-D-Dooned, capital D-Dooned. [16:29] No, I know that you don't love interviews, but I think what is so special about you, Kate... [16:37] is I feel like you just deep end it pretty fast. Like you like... [16:42] Deep and complex conversations. Bless you for saying so. I would, I'd like to, what is your sign? Virgo. Virgo.

[16:51] Got it. [16:52] Capricorn. [16:53] Oh, of course. Good. Finally. Finally. A reasonable person. And your Myers-Briggs? E-N-T-J. Got it. Good. What's yours? Good. INFP. Yes, you're a definite I. Good. And also your Enneagram? Four. Wing five. Of course you're a four. What are you? I'm an eight. Eight. [17:12] And that's the one. Eight wing nine. I'm the challenger. The challenger. And you are the romantic. The asshole. Sensitivo. I was going to say I'm the asshole. No, no, I'm the asshole. Oh, that's so funny. I thought I was the asshole. Wait, but what is eight again? Eight is the challenger. So eight is the likes to lead, has problems with vulnerability. So like doesn't go with feelings first, action first. Four is lots of feelings. Yeah. Right? [17:42] So if you're at Thanksgiving... [17:44] The H is maybe at the table arguing about vaccines or something. The four is in the basement looking through photo albums of old Thanksgivings. [17:54] Yes. Would that make sense? Yes. And saying stuff like... [17:59] Thank you. [18:00] It's all over. [18:03] Yes. Okay. Awesome. Like, we are doomed. We are doomed. God is gone. And I need you to also to know that my face is covered in poison ivy. Can't see. Okay. Can't see one piece of evidence for it. Can you see the little dots on my neck? Can't see at all. You're an incredible makeup artist who we love. Yes, who we love. Cassie. Cass Garcia. Who also I work with. Yes. Incredible.

[18:30] messages between the two of us. Same. She's like, I saw Kate. Kate said hi. It's really nice. And you could not tell [18:39] for one minute that you have poison ivy on your face. But I know that you are... [18:44] Like an outdoor cat. [18:47] Outdoor cat, indoor cat, but you live, basically you've gone to the farm. I've gone rogue. You've gone rogue. Yes. [18:55] I remember so clearly. I believe we were in, maybe we were at the Kennedy Center Honors in D.C. or something. And I was telling you about my desire to go to the woods. And you were like, in New York, the nature that we have is our pets. And we need more nature than that. And so that, I always had that in my head. And I, yeah. [19:22] I did it. You did it. How does it feel? [19:28] It's the best. I belong on the homestead. Yeah, I believe it. I belong on the homestead. I believe it. Did you feel that way when you were younger? Did you feel an affinity to nature? Were you that kind of person, like young kid who liked to be in the woods? [19:47] I loved bugs and science and making nature crafts. I remember making little... [19:54] bits of mud and putting them places. And I remember every time we went to a seafood restaurant, I would say, Mom, can I take the empty clam, mussel, and lobster shells home with me and put them in the bathtub? And after rinsing them of marinara sauce, she would let me put them in the

[20:24] Did you? Well, I kind of liked adventure. I liked the idea of being alone. I liked getting on my bike and riding through the neighborhood, like feeling alone. But talk to me about [20:38] without obviously revealing anything too personal, what is your homestead [20:42] What do you do on your homestead? Talk to me about what happens there. Are you farming? [20:47] I think the reason I've... [20:49] I've done it is that I believe very much that we are doomed. And I want my goal is is surviving the apocalypse four days. [21:00] Okay, that's it. If I can make it to four, oh, Mama, I will have achieved something. A long weekend, like a holiday weekend. [21:12] That's such a good, that's such a funny thing to think about is what it would take for four days. It's more, it's more food than you think, obviously. It is. Yeah. Yeah. [21:30] And I would be crying the whole time as a four wing five. [21:36] But I would like the lack of invitations to social gatherings in the apocalypse. That would be fun. Okay, you are a true introvert. [21:47] Which I am ashamed of Because I love people [21:53] I am fascinated by and love to talk to and listen to people. The word fascinated is the part you are fascinated by people. People are, that's what I think I feel from you is a fascination and a curiosity about the world and people. That is what is so compelling about being around you is you are very curious about many things. But I sense that people in general, like a lot of people, it's just, it's not really your gig. It's just like one-on-one people.

[22:23] feels like or two-on-one, however you like it. One-on-one, two-on-one. But you know, [22:30] But when we were talking about you going, like, getting back into nature and kind of checking out, I think it was in the context of New York City being... [22:40] overwhelming and you being there for a long time because you lived in the city for how many years? 20. [22:45] And you were on SNL for how many years? Ten. And every day you saw hundreds of people. This is the poison I was just acting up a hair. Excuse me. If at any point you need a cold compress. Sure. [23:01] And so you were like, it's fascinating that you are in a bustling city on a bustling show. And it makes total sense that you want to go somewhere and just get a little bit quieter and more peaceful after that experience. [23:15] How does an introverted person like you... [23:18] How did you manage the hugeness that was that show? It's such... [23:23] chaos. Do you want me to do an impression of myself at the after party? Yeah. Okay. So you are, let's say you're an agent that I know. Great. Okay. Okay. And I'll, and I'll just be talking to you. Okay. Really close. Really quiet. Okay. [23:40] Tell me about your parents. You know, that kind of thing. You want it? But that's what I'm talking about. You like a one-on-one connection. [23:49] You like people, you want a connection. [23:52] I really do. Yeah. When I watch you on SNL, you're so...

[23:57] connected to what you're doing. You're very connected [24:01] relaxing to watch because you don't seem nervous. Nobody knows. But was that all, am I getting it totally wrong? Like was inside, [24:12] whirly swirly or was the inside kind of peaceful? Were you in the zone when you would perform? Oh, gosh. [24:23] Always terribly nervous, horrifically nervous, less so at dress. I always felt I did my best at dress and then air was just less good because I was thinking about the cameras. But when it was just dress and just... [24:42] I could really sometimes, if I was really in it, feel like... [24:47] I was in dialogue with the people in the audience and like we were sharing something, you know, I feel like sketch is like you see something that you love that delights you and you're like just showing it to people. And then you're like, do you guys like it too? Because I think this is funny. And if they do, then then you're like you have a connection. And I I felt sometimes like I was just with friends. [25:17] should feel like you're in your living room playing. Oh, that's good. And I did get to that point. You definitely did. I mean, first of all, we got to see, I mean, this might make you uncomfortable, this kind of praise, but I feel like this. Here she goes. Okay, hold on. Hang on. Praise is coming. Okay. Praise is coming. There are people on that show that

[25:44] I felt were naturals on that show. Now, whether or not they felt natural is, is their own personal story, but I, [25:52] You [25:53] Maya Rudolph, this is my opinion, you, Maya Rudolph, you're [25:57] Dana Carvey, Will Ferrell, people who just kind of came onto the show, fit right in and just became... [26:05] Thank you. [26:06] Just like instant captains, just instant... [26:10] Um, [26:12] And Crushers just so good at that show because that show needs a specific kind of something. I don't know. I don't even know, you know. [26:22] I always felt that from you, just this feeling [26:26] calm confidence when you were performing. And it's interesting to know that inside you were not feeling that way. What did you do when you were... [26:37] not [26:38] feeling, [26:40] Like you did well. What, like, like, how do you, how did you manage that feeling? [26:45] I mean, I can't think of any time you didn't do well, but I'm sure you felt that. There were plenty of desperate failures that haunt me even now. [26:58] No, a lot of failures. And they still sometimes I'll think of something that didn't work or that I didn't. I just couldn't get there in time with the writing or the performing. And it still stings. And I still feel shame. And that's on me.

[27:15] I also made the terrible mistake of reading stuff on the internet, which I truly wish I could go back and have never looked at the internet because it has. [27:29] That haunts me as well. [27:32] You just cannot remember the good things. You just can't remember. No. For the hundred good things, it's just like, can't conjure them up, but the one bad one, you'll never forget. Yeah. There are phrases that I have read that... [27:46] Not even that mean. Right. Sure. Not unfounded. Like things with a kernel of truth, like thoughtful critiques that I agreed with that have ruined my life. That will be that will be on your headstone. [28:16] Were you in your room rehearsing? Did you go, were you the kind of performer, you're in your room before you're doing your sketch, quiet and intensely working on it? Did you like to play around and stay loose before a scene? Because I didn't really ever get a chance to work with you very much. We only did a few small things together. Did you like to be alone? [28:36] and get ready for stuff? Or did you like to stay loose and... [28:40] You know what I mean? Yeah. I think I mostly like to wing it. Mm hmm.

[28:48] I don't know if you... [28:51] can relate if it was like a [28:54] just a two-person scene that was like really a scene that required like your eyes are so beautiful. I'm mine. Yes. My God, Kate. You know what? You shine like a sun and I'm having trouble concentrating on what I was saying. I love you. You too. My queen, my queen. If it was like a [29:24] become very intimately familiar with the lines. I could feel that, that you liked to know your lines, which some people don't really try to do because people don't know, but it changes a lot at SNL, so sometimes you're a little screwed if you know your lines too well. Right, right. So if it was not changing that much, it was a more acting scene, I would sort of like to run through it a few times, but otherwise I liked to wing it. [29:52] Um, [29:54] That's what I mean is you had a very... [29:58] groovy flow in a lot of the stuff they did. And so who knew, babe, that inside was... [30:06] You know, a bunch of [30:08] Mice carrying ladders and stuff like like who knew? And so. [30:14] When we talked about you... [30:17] like hitting the road and getting homesteading, basically. What I feel like was underneath that was like,

[30:23] here's the new next chapter of chapter of the version of my life. Like, you know, if my life is a book, [30:29] I'm interested in what the next chapter is. What is the, what would you like, what would you title this chapter of your life post SNL? [30:38] Growing your own food, prepping for the apocalypse. My goodness. [30:44] What would you say, what era are you in? [30:48] Getting real. Getting real. Or 41. [30:54] Or... Getting with an apostrophe. Getting real. [31:01] Well... [31:02] Let's be honest. I feel like I had one dream. [31:07] One dream. [31:09] It was SNL. [31:11] Did it. Done. Loved it. Awesome. Not quite sure. [31:18] Not quite sure what to really be like single-minded people. [31:25] About – I love filming movies and the small amount of episodic television. What do you love about making movies? I love – [31:39] being able to [31:42] I love going somewhere for a month or two. [31:46] And walking around and falling in love with everything. [31:51] 80 new people and the circus, the camp of it, the summer camp. You went to camp? I never did. Oh, my God. I know. I went to a day camp, but I never went away. I would have loved to have gone away from home. But, yeah, just this idea that you had this stolen time almost in another place. You can be anything, and I love that. And I also love, I just love movies.

[32:21] They're wonderful as a medium. And I love... [32:26] Doing a scene as scripted and then trying it 80 different ways and they pick the best one. And as opposed to like you've got one shot, one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted. Will you capture it or will you let it slip? [32:44] Do not miss your chance because opportunity comes. Yeah. [32:49] Once in a lifetime. [32:52] But that was what SNL was. Yes. So you did it so well. So you feel like you... [33:00] Yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's like, okay, I did that. I did that to the best of my ability. Now I want to, you know, [33:07] practice my backhand, basically. Or not even my backhand, just try a new shot. Yeah, totally. Like, I loved doing pre-taped pieces for that very reason, and I have loved [33:19] truly loved every experience I've had working on a film. [33:23] So I'd love to do more of that. [33:29] But I, I, but... [33:31] There's only so many hours in a year that, you know, SNL took up so much of... [33:40] all of our [33:41] Thank you. [33:42] And when it's over, it just leaves us. [33:47] a time hole. And so I had to fill my time hole.

[33:53] That's the name of your workshop. Fill your time hole with Kate McKinnon. [33:58] And so I've done that. I've tried to be useful in growing food. And I've also taken up carpentry as well. Okay. I've heard about this. Can you talk to me about the materials you're using? Because I know a little bit about woodworking from Nick Offerman. Have you spoken to Nick? [34:17] never, no, like I mean, I've meant to. He has an amazing workshop and he's such a good teacher and share of knowledge. And he's, [34:30] Tell me what you like about woodworking and carpentry. What's your favorite part? [34:36] It is... Well, I think it's in my jeans because my grandfather was a woodworker. My father was an architect. And I just... [34:48] Thank you. [34:49] I love the practicality of you can, you know, manipulate this material and then you can spend time in it. Yeah. How crazy is that? You can sit on it. I love to sit on things I do. It's just so much. It's, you know, a sketch, a book or something. It's so ephemeral, ephemeral. [35:19] is like... [35:21] real that's like life that's cool what materials do you like to work with what kind of wood i've been doing mostly uh trim carpentry with which is uh moldings and paneling and i've been uh using reclaimed hemlock for that mostly you've been making your own moldings

[35:41] Yes, and I thought I was the only one. [35:46] Then I'm backstage at that SNL 50 concert. [35:50] I'm talking to Brandi Carlisle. [35:52] She's doing trim carpentry. I'm like, Fran, of course you are. She's like, Jon Stewart's doing his trim. I'm like, turned out it's trite what I'm doing. Everyone's doing trim carpentry. You're doing trim carpentry, I know. I mean, people think I'm doing trim carpentry, but I'm not. So when you're making stuff like something like when you're working with wood, [36:19] What happens when you make a mistake? [36:22] Because I'm asking, I'm very intimidated by working with wood. I feel like if you measure wrong, you're fucked like you can't. You just kind of... [36:33] I put it up inside the home anyway. I have absolutely decreased the property value of the house with my shoddy work. Yes, I know that I have. It is not Brandy Carlisle level. No, nothing is. That's true. That's true. What do you want to make? What's the dream thing you want to eventually make? Do you want to move on from molding and moldings and do you want to make furniture? Yeah. [37:00] Do you make furniture? I made a table. Dang. That was cool. But honestly, I would like to move into plumbing and electrical. I would like to have all the skills of a general contractor. I love that. I love that. I don't know. Well, because the end is near. Well, someone's got to wire the shelter. Yeah, exactly.

[37:30] the toilet. Yeah. [37:34] I so relate though, Kate. I mean... [37:38] I have no doubt you will. I have no doubt you'll learn about plumbing. I mean, that's a ways away. You think so? Well... [37:46] It's someone's job for a reason. [37:49] Yeah. That's a two-year certificate at minimum. Yeah. So, but yes, I would like to acquire all of those, the skills that can make... [38:00] a home function for four days. [38:07] This episode is brought to you by eBay. Lately, more and more people have been talking about selling on eBay, and we can see why. Everyone has stuff that no longer fits their lives, and selling on eBay is actually really easy. Just snap a few photos, write a description, and set a price. Suddenly, the stuff that's just been sitting around is in front of millions of buyers already searching for what's next. Find what you love. Sell what you don't on eBay. [38:32] This episode is brought to you by K18. So you've tried a million different hair masks only to watch your results literally wash down the drain? Well, you should know that K18 molecular repair hair mask actually reverses damage. Thanks to the patented K18 peptide, you'll get strong, soft, bouncy hair in just four minutes. Color, bleach, heat, however your hair has been damaged, this totally transforms it from the inside out. Shop at Sephora or get 10% off your first purchase

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[40:32] Can you speak about the last show of yours at SNL? Because I remember that feeling very powerful and very moving, and I think we spoke about it, and it was for you. It was a very beautiful send-off where you walk up into the stairs as Ms. Rafferty. Yeah, yeah. Meeting the aliens, finally, maybe. We don't know. Finally meeting, you know, or them taking you away, or you... [40:59] Willingly going. We don't know. Yeah. What do you think happens to her and to you? But that walk up the stairs and like the wave goodbye was really beautiful and really cool. What was the last what was your last show like? [41:29] would tongue every single person in the cast in a line. And, you know, I thought ultimately that the alien thing was a little more meaningful and had a better tone. So we went with that. So everyone narrowly missed sucking my face. A good vice, a good vice, a good bye tonguing. But that was very... [41:56] emotional because it was everything. I mean, you did over 200 shows or something, everything to me. And those people are everything to me. Jenna. Yeah. You know, Chris Kelly, everybody. And, and, and Lauren, who has been, you know, a surrogate father to me. And I, I,

[42:22] I could cry now thinking about what he has been to me in my life, as I'm sure we all could. Can you speak a little bit more? What has he done? What was your relationship with him like? Well, my father passed when I was 18. I loved my father very. [42:41] And he, Lorne... [42:45] just was nothing but paternal. And when you have somehow, by the grace of whatever, earned the esteem of a man like that, a man who's that, like... [42:59] Larger than life. It just, it means everything. And so I was like... [43:06] Just sad. Yeah. To go. I had to. I had reached a point where I was like yawning. Yeah. [43:14] During the show. And that just did not, that was not working for me physically anymore. Yeah. And, yeah. [43:21] There you have it. But it didn't mean I wanted to get away from those folks. You love those folks. You love those folks. And boy, Kate, they love you. You know who loves you so much, and there's a million people who do? Seth Meyers. [43:36] He loves you. He, you are, he just is like, and again, [43:43] Praise coming in. Prepare. But you were just such a natural captain when you were in there on that show. You just... [43:51] You led that show through a lot of years and you were in a lot of sketches and you were doing amazing.

[43:58] a lot. You were carrying a lot on your shoulders in that show, whether or not you felt it or not. [44:04] And you were... [44:06] You were being asked to do [44:08] really big [44:10] playing like really important people at important times, whether it's Hillary Clinton or Rudy Giuliani. You were playing all the – the world is nuts. And it's weird, and I know from experience because we both played political figures, to play people in real time that are also existing in real time in the world, and there's real-world consequences, and it's very strange. Yes, yes, it is. [44:40] Yeah, it certainly did. What was it? What would what how did it feel? Did you feel any responsibility when you're playing anybody? [44:48] Or did you have to kind of let that go and not worry about it? [44:53] No, Mama. I felt a lot. I felt a lot. Yeah. [44:57] I'm sorry, just to talk about Seth for one second. Yes, let's go back to Seth. When Seth left, it was in February. That was another that I felt like I only overlapped with him for... [45:10] two or three years or so. And he's not very much older than me, but I felt like he was like... [45:19] had a paternal [45:20] you know, thing. And like when he left, oh my God, I was so crushed. And I forget that life goes on and you like you form, you know, other things.

[45:32] connections and stuff. But that was like, oh, I love that guy. Yeah. Yikes. Any horse. What were we saying about politics? Well, it's a double edged sword, I felt. And you let me know how this lands for you. Yeah. But I felt it was a double edged sword in that [45:55] I felt like I was really doing something with my life, something meaningful, being engaged in the most peripheral possible way in life. [46:08] in culture, in [46:10] In history. Yeah. In the like, yeah, just on the sidelines, putting on a wig. Right. You know, doing little songs about whatever was actually going on. But like being in the smallest way, a part of that felt like. [46:29] I was... [46:30] doing something meaningful. And with that came... [46:35] Thank you. [46:36] You know, like there was one article... [46:40] That was like, will she hurt Hillary Clinton? Oh, God. And I was like, y'all, y'all shouldn't read, should not have read, should never have looked. But that like that notion of. [46:56] just broke my brain. And like, I obviously, no one, I think, doing a satire has the power to actually influence. But, um,

[47:08] I did not... [47:10] want to hurt anybody, even people I... [47:13] I vehemently disagreed with politically. Like, I still didn't want to ever hurt anyone's feelings. And so... [47:21] Yeah, there was some balancing to do there. [47:24] Did you ever meet anybody while you were dressed as them? [47:28] Yes, I met... [47:32] Secretary Clinton. [47:35] Senator Warren. That was so awesome. [47:44] Oh, my gosh. Oh, you guys did a really fun. You guys did like a tick tock switcheroo. Yeah. Yeah. She was like, after there was some vote on the floor of Congress, she [47:57] I believe it was on January 6th about I forget what it was. And all the Democrats were saying no. And all the Republicans were saying, yes, I forget what about. But they were going down the list, calling the names of all the Democratic senators. And everyone was saying, no, no, no. And then it got to her and she was like, no. [48:21] And then I know it's the question you get asked all the time, but I do love this question, which is well, to. [48:26] Did you ever go on the server and watch sketches that bombed? We used to watch our sketch. Do you kind of like it when sketches bomb a little bit? Did you ever enjoy that? And did you ever re-watch a sketch that didn't make it? We used to go and watch our sketches from Dress that bombed and just watch it together. Kind of process it together. And it was just such a nice feeling. Basically just a reminder that everybody bombs, basically.

[48:56] do that. [48:58] Yes, there were a few... [49:01] A few hits. [49:03] That we would watch over and over again. [49:07] There was one, there was one rehearsal moment. [49:10] where a person, I won't say who... [49:14] simply stopped doing the sketch and sat down on the stage. Sure. That was a fun watch. Yeah, just stuff like that. We had a host, again, I won't say who, who halfway through just kind of fell asleep a little bit. Yeah. And it was like, this was during Dress, I was like, okay, well, I guess this character's asleep now. Don't blame him. Agree. It's late. Time to sit down. And it's a tough gig. [49:44] did you find that hosting was so much harder than you could have ever imagined? I wanted to be back with that. Like, I didn't want to be. Yeah, I know. I wanted to be like, I kept being like, what are you guys doing over there? Like, I kept wanting to be over there. Yeah. Yeah. And who did you love? What host did you love? Like, [50:14] I remember really loving Amy Adams. Yes. Emily Blunt. Yes. [50:21] Those are the two that pop into my mind. But just, I loved actresses.

[50:30] who were [50:31] wonderful comedic actresses and also actresses oh that's so interesting what type was i enjoyed weirdly often athletes because they wanted to be coached and they would be like how do you want me to say it how do you want me to do it and i'd be like oh thank god this is exactly how i want you to do it you know yeah and they felt really good about that like there was no and they would if they scored they were like yay and if they didn't they were like this isn't my gig like they just [51:01] I feel, and it relaxed me. It relaxed me when athletes would host. [51:07] Or people like that. People who are just like, this is so weird that I'm here. Did Charles Barkley ever host when you were there? No, did you love him? Oh, my God. You loved him? Now there's a funny athlete. Jesus Christ. He may be the funniest man alive. And I did do one of my bar fly sketches with him. [51:31] my mouth and I... [51:34] It was nice. Fantastic. Okay, so we do this thing on the show where we talk to people before our interview. I don't know if you know this. We talk well behind their back. We talk to somebody who knows them, and they give me a question to ask them. So we talked to Aidy Bryant today, the great Aidy. Oh, here we go. Tears, waterworks. Aidy and you, like, tell me a little bit about what Aidy was.

[52:02] what it meant to have 80 there when you were there and like working with her. What was, what was your relationship like? I mean, she taught me about like so much about comedy, but she also taught me about just like being a person comedy. I mean, she's a genius, but like just one of the most solid people I've ever known. And, [52:22] I... [52:24] When I moved into my apartment, she was like, invest in your base, which... [52:32] She was basically telling me to, like, get kind of okay furniture, which, like, I wasn't planning on doing. But she just... [52:41] I think in many ways she taught me how to live and how to be okay. Even in silence, I was like, okay, this is my sister. Everyone here is my friend. This is my sister. [52:55] We were rewatching the sketch today of you and AD as the – [53:04] I think it was Henrietta and Nan, the PowerPoint ladies who couldn't get the PowerPoint to work. [53:12] Give me 15 more of those right now. I was reminded of that the other day. [53:20] I was asking... [53:21] the gal who wrote it, did you come up with the phrase digifiles? And she said, no, that was 80. [53:29] Digifiles. I like when 80 says, I don't think I can learn anything anymore.

[53:36] I don't think I can learn anything new anymore. [53:40] That, oh, and okay, so AD had a question for you, which is... [53:47] She had two great questions for you. One is ask Kate what she used to carry her... [53:53] hair extensions around in. [53:57] Do you remember? It was a tiny linen drawstring polka dot bag that I think she gave me. Okay. Great. It seemed like an item that Aidy would have because it was polka dotted and it was like sweet and drawstring. Okay. So I'm going to take your word for it. Well, there's no way we can check. And then, but the second question was, what would be your ideal day? Because we were kind of talking about [54:27] what we were talking about earlier that... [54:29] There's this part of you that like loves that feeling of performing and being, you know, meeting [redacted address] and being part of the circus. And there's a part of you that wants to kind of be in the woods and in nature and be in kind of a peaceful version of your life. What is Kate McKinnon's perfect day? How would it go? I would wake with the sun. [54:53] I would garden for a couple hours and, [54:57] do carpentry for a couple hours and then gather my mother and sister together. [55:04] the loves of my life.

[55:06] or some other folks that I love and make... [55:13] pasta together and eat it. [55:17] Yum. From scratch. Damn. That was my 40th birthday party. It was a pasta-making party with... [55:26] my family and my best friend and her family. That sounds great. Do you remember your 40th? Yeah, my 40th, I was still filming Parks and Rec. So it was like a bar somewhere in the middle of filming. My 50th, I had a dance party. And that was so fun because I love dancing. And I prefer dancing over talking. Yes. Do you like to dance? [55:56] 10 minutes if it's just talking because I can't. Aidy said the same thing that you two gave each other a lot of permission to leave parties, which is what friendship is all about. [56:08] Okay, we're going to talk about your incredible book because, and I want to talk to you about books, but I want to just do a very quick rapid fire. Okay. Number one gardening tip. [56:19] Or any gardening tip. Compost. Okay, I got to compost. Oh, God. No, it's a pain in the ass. Yeah, I got to do it. Yeah. No, it's terrible. Favorite ice cream flavor? [56:34] Chocolate fudge brownie. You said that really casually. Do you not like ice cream? No, I love it. Okay. Favorite childhood movie? The Producers.

[56:42] We watch the producers every week in our house. [56:48] Favorite books growing up? [56:52] Roald Dahl. [56:54] And I loved a good atlas. [56:57] I loved a book about geography. Are you good at geography? Cultures of the world. I do love geography. Do you have a good geographical sense? I would say yes. When you're standing somewhere, you want to know where north is, and you talk that way, like it's west of the highway, and you know where countries are. I do. That I do. That's great. I love the countries, and I love to know their capitals, and I love knowing countries and capitals. [57:27] It's a hobby. [57:28] I'm going to give you one. Argentina. [57:32] Buenas tardes. [57:33] Aireys. Canada. [57:35] Ottawa. China. [57:37] Beijing. [57:38] Costa Rica. Well, now there is it San Juan? Close. No, it's San Jose. Is it? Yep, San Jose. Please, God. Okay, thank you. [57:50] Let's see. Ethiopia. [57:52] Addis Ababa. Dang. [57:56] Hungary. Budapest. [58:00] Iran. Tehran. Libya. Tripoli. And the last one is the capital of Senegal. [58:08] Um, [58:12] Is it? No. Accra is the capital of Ghana and the capital of Senegal is... Fuck me. I knew this. I really... It's with an R? Yeah, there's an R at the end. It's Dakar. Yes! Fuck.

[58:28] Shit! [58:30] Kate, that's impressive. Hobby. In fact, during... [58:33] read through at SNL when I wasn't in any sketches. I just was practicing my capitals for fun. So let's talk about the Millicent Quibb School of Etiquette for Young Ladies of Mad Science. [58:48] Your second book. [58:49] Mm-hmm. [58:50] Incredible. Congratulations. Thank you. You have written, you have a series now, the Millicent Quibb series, and you have one and two. And two is out. Yes. And is a New York Times bestseller. [59:05] Thank you. [59:06] Tell us about this book, why you wrote it, what's it about? [59:12] I started writing it... [59:15] 12 years ago before SNL. And then I just kind of kept at it. [59:21] intermittently throughout that time. And I love middle grade literature because I think it has... [59:32] uh [59:33] things in common with sketch comedy, i.e., [59:37] Funny hair and funny names and a sense of hope. Yeah. And questions of identity and questions of belonging. You know, a sketch is often about... [59:50] A fly in the ointment, an odd man out. I wanted to write about being a 12-year-old. [59:57] Girl in a repressive turn-of-the-century town. I didn't grow up in a repressive turn-of-the-century town, but I grew up in a town with, you know, normal folks, and I felt like a freak. I think every 12-year-old feels like a freak.

[1:00:15] And I loved science and I loved bugs and I loved like icky stuff. And I was fortunate enough to have adults in my orbit who were funny and weird, my parents among them and a lot of my teachers. [1:00:45] Absolutely instrumental. And so I wanted to write about a mad scientist who's a pariah in this town who takes these little weirdos under her wing. [1:00:58] teaches them mad science and they fight the bad guys and have adventures. And I wanted to [1:01:06] write something that hopefully would inspire young people to go outside for the first time in days. [1:01:13] And touch grass. And I mean, the times of my childhood, which was before cell phones, which are just the best time. I mean, one day, me and Alexis North found like a fox skull in like someone's hedges. And like there was an earwig in it. [1:01:36] Oh, my God. The earwigs and that foxgull. We were just like, the world is magic. It's made of magic. And I wish children had some more access to that kind of stuff. Yes, yes. And I wanted to inspire them to go outside and touch a bug.

[1:02:06] something. [1:02:07] Like, remember that? I feel I wasn't. [1:02:11] I'd like to start again, please. You're nuts. [1:02:16] You're so nuts. [1:02:19] But I want to finish the last thing, which is I think people in comedy are all, as we know, they're all different kinds of people. Do people come up and expect you to be a certain way? [1:02:30] And are they surprised when you are... [1:02:32] quieter and more reserved or more introverted than they expect you to be. [1:02:37] I think they are. And sometimes they're disappointed and vocal about that. I've gotten a lot of, wow, you're not funny in real life. Or speak up. What? I've gotten, I've gotten, you're so serious for a comedian. Yeah. [1:02:56] You're being very serious. Oh, you're being very serious. Well, oh, that's not funny. I've had that. [1:03:05] I'm sorry. It wasn't very funny. Anyway, nice to meet you. Oh, shit. I got to ask you one question. Oh, fuck. I forgot one question. And it's the best question. It is the best one to ask you. Go for it. [1:03:19] What is making you laugh these days? What are you watching, reading, listening to, watching a video of when you need to lighten up? [1:03:30] I'll tell you. Ooh. There's a man on YouTube. Can't wait. From Australia. He cleans drains. He clears hopelessly disgusting clogged restaurant drains filled with grease. I love unclogging videos. This man. This is the earth saying. You never see his face. He is enthusiasm on two feet.

[1:04:00] made of. Can you believe we get to be here clearing this drain? This one's chock-a-block. Let's fire up the jet. Oh, you little ripper. Come on, you good thing. Like he has like free and it's about, and then he'll be like, oh, there's a cockroach. Oh, there's some corn there. Toilet paper. Oh, this is what dreams are made of, you guys. And I just, [1:04:30] recommend. It's called Drain Cleaning Australia. Okay, I'm just going to watch one little thing before you go. Okay, he sounds amazing. Drain Cleaning Australia. Also, I love his commentary about what he finds. Yeah. Okay, standby. This one says sewage spraying into the sky. Is that good? Okay, here we go. We're back for another block drain, mate. And I'm just going to let the lovely cast of an owner we're here. G'day, mate. Bruce from Drain Cleaning [1:05:00] So he goes to meet the people first. Let's see. Which direction? It's all. And he's. Oh, sorry. We've got a commercial. You pay for YouTube. You don't pay for YouTube. I don't pay for YouTube. Are you kidding me? The price? [1:05:15] They want me to pay to cut out the commercials? No. I'll wait until the skip button. Okay, here we go. You little ripper. [1:05:24] Hey. Hey. And wow, you can see all the three rooms still down there.

[1:05:30] punched a hole through the block. I get it. [1:05:34] I get it. Tree roots are the least... [1:05:36] of his problem. Usually it's like a dachshund-sized piece of hair or grease or human shit. It is. And he's like, woohoo! Woohoo! You little ripper! Kate, thank you for being here. Thank you. [1:05:58] I can't tell if your eyes are green or blue. I think they're both. And it doesn't matter. All that matters is today. All that matters is you. [1:06:11] Thank you, Kate McKinnon. You are so interesting to talk to, and I love being around you and your beautiful skin. [1:06:20] Check out Kate's book. And, you know, in this polar plunge, I just wanted to... [1:06:25] Talk about the books that I loved when I was in middle school. There were many, many series of books that I love, but we talked a lot about homesteading today and growing your own vegetables and pulling potatoes out of the earth. And it made me think about Little House on the Prairie and Laura Ingalls Wilder and. Yeah. [1:06:43] God, I just, I loved those books. And here's a tip in my Polar Plunge. If you need to take a wonderful nap, [1:06:49] Put on an old episode of Little House on the Prairie and the sound of the clip-clop of the horses and the music and then paw just coming in from the cold and somebody putting like a hot cake on the fire. It's going to knock you out.

[1:07:09] you're going to go right to sleep. So read the books, incredible books from Laura Ingalls Wilder, watch the TV show and try to stay up as long as you can while you do. [1:07:19] Okay, thanks so much for listening. Thanks, Kate, for being here. I love talking to you, and see you soon. Bye. [1:07:49] But some really good hate [1:07:51] The grill is shot. The chairs are held together by optimism. And what happened to the rug? Sounds like your outdoor setup is not ready for patio season. Fix it all with Wayfair. Shop Wayfair for grills, rugs, furniture, and more. With 20 million five-star reviews, room of choice delivery, and experts set up on qualifying orders, it's never been easier to do more for less. Get 10% off your first eligible purchase. Hurry to Wayfair.com or download the app now. [1:08:21] Are you one of those media strategy people clicking through slides, scrolling spreadsheets? Yes? Good. This is for you. Because on Spotify, there's an audience that's different, locked in, loyal, invested. They're called fans. Fans don't just listen to music. They feel seen by it, like it belongs to them. So when your brand shows up on Spotify, that's who you're talking to. And you're right next to artists like me, Lizzo. So are you ready to talk to fans? Spotify Advertising. You're among fans.

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