JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:12] Good? You're up. We're up. What? Hi guys! We're back! [00:19] This is like getting pulled over by the cops, the window rolls down, the cops are like, What the fuck are you doing? Shit! [00:30] Strong as hell. I'm too high already. That's good for you, dude. It's good for you. Opens your mind. It's the right stuff. [00:36] Yeah, there's some talk about Trump legalizing marijuana now. That would be amazing. It kind of feels like it is legal right now. Well, it should be. It's so stupid. I can't believe we're still dealing with this. I mean, I would have thought by the time I just turned 58. I would have thought by the time I'm 58, we would have figured this out. Can I tell you, when I, with my ulcerative colitis, we always start with my ass for some reason. [01:06] it [01:06] could affect your liver but not for [01:08] Many years. Like, not for... No, this was when I was, like, 39. I'm 51 now. I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point. So what I do... [01:19] is the natural stuff, and it does help me. It just helps, and I don't have to – that's not fucking with my liver. It would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem. The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry. Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right? Yeah, and they've done studies. They know. They lobby. They work on it hard. They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the whole nation. Alcohol is way worse. Way worse.

[01:49] conversation, but... [01:51] Well, the real big problem is who's selling if it's illegal. [01:56] The cartel. That's right. [01:58] And I've talked about this before. If you've heard it before, I'm sorry. But there's a guy named John Norris who's been on the podcast before who was a game warden. He wrote a book called Hidden Wars. He was a game warden in California. You know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit. He loves the woods, loves being outdoors. Oh, he came on the shit. And he came upon a fucking cartel grow-op in the middle of the National Forest. And then they realized, oh, no, this is what they do. They go deep into the woods in public land, and they set up a grow-op, and they got fucking AKs. [02:28] they got you know over the virgin mary photos that they pray to it now it's crazy like full-on campsites filled with cartel dudes they started turning into a tactical team this guy had to get bet belgian malinois and bulletproof vests and they're getting shootouts with the cartels in the middle the woods he was signing up to be a park ranger and he's out there no shit yeah here people's fish stories like how'd you get this one you know no is fucking getting shootouts [02:55] Because it's illegal. Damn, with the cartels. Damn. So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana... [03:04] What they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor. So the cartel could just grow illegally. And it's a misdemeanor. It's a big deal. And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit. So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow-ups. And what he was saying at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think, that was the number,

[03:34] these dudes. [03:35] And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbicides that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit, shit that's outlawed on farms in America. But it's effective, and so they're using it. So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbicides. There's no rules, man. It's illegal weed. If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking farms and the factories. It'd be just like alcohol. [04:05] alcohol was illegal, we'd all be fucked. We'd be drinking moonshine. You know what I mean? Fuck a nice glass of wine. You're drinking fucking straight up alcohol. Nasty shit. Because that's all that's available. [04:18] And that's what people are doing right now. It's dumb. It empowers the people that are criminals. Well, you said it before. It's the money. They're going to affect the big pharma. And we all have seen from COVID what the hell kind of power big pharma has. Yeah, they're worried about it. But I think the alcohol people are worried more. The alcohol people got us twice. They were fighting. Remember, they fought MMA hard, too. Because of boxing, you know. [04:45] Yeah. Kind of crazy that Bud Light became a sponsor years later. How long did the prohibition last for? Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point. I think it was 10 years. Was it 10 years, Jamie? Must have been a rough fucking 10 years. Bro, it had to be crazy. Yeah, right. But that's where the organized crime got all their money. 13 years. Yep, that's where Nash... 13 fucking years. For 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country. You know how crazy that is? A grown man telling you you can't have a drink.

[05:15] same thing with a smoke what's the problem with that exactly the same thing it's weird exactly the same thing we're just delusional about it and we put it under the label drug which is alcohol alcohol is a drug dummy [05:27] It's a drug drug. But everything's a drug. There's a lot of drugs. Caffeine is a drug. Exactly. We're drinking espresso. Yeah. [05:33] He's just stop it. [05:35] It's just knowing how to use each drug, and the only way you know how to use it is if people are honest. [05:40] And if they do studies, you have actual scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result. [05:48] You know, that's what it's supposed to be. Yeah. For all of us. It's all just fucking co-opted by money. You never have enforced it? Never heard that. Maryland didn't enforce it. Well, that's good. So you got a drunken man thing for Maryland. Shout out to Baltimore. By the way, how crazy is that? [06:05] Right. Also home of Ground Control. Yeah. Hey, guys, I guess I missed the memo. Matt, Sarah. This was a totally organic move. I know. Totally. We didn't talk about this at all. Well, I saw Matt were his last time, and I said, well, that's it. The green light. I'm shamelessly self-promoting. [06:23] And then Dean came down, I go, motherfucker, I go, you know what I mean? He goes, I got to represent, and then you came in with it. The only thing is that we didn't talk about it. I know, that's crazy. I feel like I'm left out of the loop here. I know. I wish we had some extras. I'm trying to get a sponsor by True Classic. I had an extra one, too. You know what's so funny? I had one that was still in the package, and I was like, should I bring this? I'm like, no, I don't need this. I think you should have. That's crazy. That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of those shirts.

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[09:58] That's good for you. And I've been telling you I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza. [10:02] And I still got abs. Uh-oh, here it comes. Here it comes. The Sarah Slice. Listen, can I tell you? I'm sorry. You're not even goofing on me. I can see it in Midtown right now. You're fucking goofing on me. Sarah Slice. Me on side. Sarah Slice. Can I tell you right now that I'm so proud of this? I don't like to brag. A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Dean does. I need us a little bit. But on Long Island, we have three champions. Four, if you include Merab. You know, he's adopted by us. Chris Weidman has his own day in Long Island. [10:32] has his own day. I'm not butthurt about not having my own day, but I have something better. Thank you, Talios, from Asapiqua Park and Mineola. I have my own Sarah Slice. It's the best fucking... It'll knock your dick off. It's the best slice. I put it up against any slice. That's right. That you give me. And the reason being... Tell Dave Port. They import... Listen. Tell him what you said. This kid robbed him. There he is, my buddy. [11:02] robbed. Oh, he's talking about it. [11:04] UFC legend. [11:05] So I'm going to show you guys how we make the serra. [11:11] Grande [11:13] No moisture. [11:16] Mozzarella is a very simple [11:18] Pizza. Nice stripes. [11:22] of our chow [11:24] Tomato sauce. [11:26] imported from Italy. Imported from Italy! Sea salt.

[11:31] basil [11:32] and olive oil. That is my recipe for my tomato sauce. No sugar. [11:37] Stop putting sugar in your sauce. Yes. And we have our beautiful house-made vodka sauce. Dude. We make it with prosciutto di parma. I'm getting a hold on. Matt, tell him where the dough comes from, Matt. He's going to say. Caputo flour from Italy. Aferino Romano. No bromate. No preservatives. Sicilian oregano. [11:57] We have some beautiful Fiori Latte fresh mozzarella. Come on, man. We just like to break up. Just wait for the fucking pestle. [12:04] Wait for the pestle. [12:06] the Sarah super simple [12:08] Go in the oven. [12:10] about eight minutes [12:12] Look at this fucking thing. Look at this fucking thing. This is one of the best advertisements for carbs I've ever seen. No blowing. No bleach. No doubt. I tell you, this is the only green I eat. Beautiful. I eat that fucking... [12:27] Pecorino. [12:29] Ready? Wait for the... And of course. Oh, the money shot! [12:34] Let's fucking go, Rob! The pesto. [12:38] Take a bite. [12:39] Guys, I'm so proud. [12:41] Sarah, come get it now. Both locations. Call your pizza. You were so happy. Thank you, Rob. That's the first time you'll ever see Matt's mouth shut. I'm so happy. So good. Yeah, you gotta go. Man, why you didn't bring us none? Dude, can I tell you, I'm there all the fucking time. I...

[13:02] My podcast I'm doing, I found the first shop near Mineola train station. [13:07] And I'm like... [13:08] This fucking shit's ridiculous, you know? And then the guy happens to be a fan of the fight in Rob. So then he's like, look, I'm opening up another spot. [13:15] Dude, in Massapequa Park. Dude, that's five minutes from my house. This is meant to be. It's fucking meant to be. And now he's training now, Rob. That's awesome. Talios Pizza. The G is silent like lasagna. And I just, I'm so happy. That is the number one problem with any of that carnivore diet bullshit. [13:34] that's the number one problem is pizza. Oh, right, yeah, no doubt. Italian subs. He was telling me that it's not even legal in Europe to have the bromate. I didn't know what the fuck bromate was. He goes, it's stuff they put in the dough. [13:49] To make it last longer and this and that. This kid has such balls where he started importing twice as much for a flour, a caputo flour. Dude, I don't know much. I know a lot about this. You know, I'm not an espresso. He tells me the whole thing about this. You feel different if you eat that flour. I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school. And I'm not doing that with Pietro's, no offense. I'm not doing that with others. He has a, it's so good. Potassium bromate, a flour additive used to strengthen dough, may have potential health risks. [14:19] the U.S. It's banned in many other countries due to concerns about its potential carcinogenic effects. Studies have linked it to kidney and thyroid cancers in animals. Well, fucking duh. And it's been associated with genotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in both animal models and humans. Acute symptoms from ingestion can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain.

[14:42] They put this in our flower. Dude, that's what I'm saying. That's crazy. Causes changes in DNA and potentially lead to mutations. [14:53] Guys, I'm telling you, man. Look at that fucking statement. That's crazy. Dude, that's why, man. I've noticed its place at the end. Give this kid so much credit. Nobody does this. People can do this. They can import the flour. It's just more, but this kid's killing it, and it's such a difference, man. They say when you go to Italy, and you come back, and you're eating all that shit, and you come back, you're not fat. [15:16] It's that shit. It's the flower, man. And he makes the heroes out of the same flower. Jamie, do you remember that video that I sent you about that dude breaking down exactly what's in flower and why it fucks us up? [15:27] Do you remember that video? [15:29] You'll find it. The dude with the hat on who's the health expert is a young guy, and he does an amazing job of breaking down the difference between our flower and their flower. And you see, you get so upset. You're like, this is so crazy. You guys let them do this to us. [15:43] Yeah, it's banned in other countries, but legal here. How's that possible? Crazy. Why are we putting up with this shit? Why? Yeah. It's because it's slow poison. Yeah. It's not like alcohol is like, whoa, you feel it the next day. Like, oh, my God. [15:59] Pizza is just a slow poison. Slow poison without poison dough. It weighs you down, though. This is the cat. [16:07] It would be just as good. [16:08] Just as good in terms of how you feel when you eat it. Just as good flavor-wise. Just not fucking kill you.

[16:15] Explain to me why I can eat bread in Spain and in Greece, Italy. [16:23] No problem. [16:24] I was gluten free in 15 years. I've been gluten free in a [16:31] I don't know America [16:34] Can't eat it. That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, [17:04] called potassium bromate, which has been in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, [17:13] causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. [17:20] The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat, soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. [17:28] that's wild neon sign up in his thing no bleach no bromate [17:34] That's amazing. Dude, I got fucking abs still. I can eat pizza. It's like heaven. He's at the right time now, too, because people are starting to be made aware. Yeah. Yeah. And you can blame it on gluten all you want, but go eat pizza in Italy. Give it a shot. You feel good. It's like I'm doing that every day. Pasta there. Yeah. Pasta there's incredible. There's a few places to catch it on. How I cheat here on pasta, like back home, Deep Esqually's is the big Italian spot.

[18:04] So they're made with ricotta cheese and it's like maybe five grams of carbs and a thing of gnocchi. [18:11] Yeah, you could cheat it out, but if you really want to get fucking blasted with some carbs, lasagna will do you in. Oh, no, my God. Lasagna will do you in. Oh, my God. There's something about Italian food. When I'm really hungry, I just can't help it. I don't care about my diet. Fuck it. The sauces and all that stuff. Yeah, it gets you. You know, Joe DeRosa, the comedian, he's got a place called Joey Roses. It's a sandwich shop. And Joey Roses, they import all their flour. That's the thing. And it's the same thing. [18:41] fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day they never use stale bread and they never use any preservatives and he's like that's the difference like you can eat these sandwiches and you feel good it's crazy that's rare isn't that weird that should not be how you consume food you know i'm saying like you should be feeling good after all the time yeah we're fucking poisoning ourselves and the fact that it's illegal in china and all these other places like how is there we're more corrupt than them that's crazy i mean that was part of it too when you [19:11] about the trade imbalances, some of our food not being able to go over there was just the fact that they wouldn't allow the food to come over. Because it's not even food to them. Exactly. It's not even legal, that bromate and shit. It's fucking crazy. It's fucked up that we're feeding that to our kids. [19:25] And these regulators knew about it. They knew about it for a long time. And if you're in that business, if that's your business, you fucking know what's going on. And you guys let them just do that to people for profit because they can make more money this way. But also, there's a problem with feeding fucking 300 million people. That's a problem. Any disruptions to the food source is a fucking dangerous thing because no one's growing shit.

[19:55] - Sure. - Do the growing work. And then what are we doing? [19:58] We're fucking going to these farms and catching all the people that are doing the work and then deporting them. We're just like, whoa. We need that. Bro, we can't do anything right. Yeah. We can't do anything right. Be a little fair about the bro-mate stuff. It's been used since 1923. Yeah. [20:17] and the FDA has been telling people to stop using it since 1991. [20:21] Wow. They would tell people to stop using it, but they didn't tell them they have to stop using it. Well, they urged people. It's up to people. They want America. But in America, is it the only place that uses it? I don't know about only. I think they said Canada. Yeah, Canada. Canada, too. Of course Canada does. Canada. They're like our little brother. You know what I mean? Yeah. [20:38] This is part of the show where I talk about AG1, which I've done for years, and usually I like to talk about routine. And don't get me wrong, because routine is super important, and AG1 is exactly the kind of daily, easy routine that can help you feel healthy and help you get the nutrients that your body needs. But even if you love a routine, isn't it nice to switch it up a little? Well, here we go. After 15 years of the original, AG1 has introduced three new flavors, tropical, berry, and citrus. [21:08] No longer one flavor fits all. And honestly, the best part is that's the only thing that's changed. Besides new flavors, we're talking about the same science, the same 75-plus ingredients, and the same exact benefits. I partnered with AG1 for so long because they're committed to constantly improving. And now that includes offering three new flavors. Subscribe today and choose tropical citrus, berry, or the classic original variety.

[21:38] an AG1 welcome kit and five AG1 travel packs with your first subscription. Just go to drinkag1.com slash Joe Rogan or head to the link in the description to get started with AG1 and try the new flavors yourself. That's drinkag1.com slash Joe Rogan. They're our little cousin. They've got to hang out with their fucking family weddings. You know that one cousin? They text you later and you're like, Jesus Christ. [22:08] we all got that one cousin right he's just like yo man he wants to talk to you about communist theory like come on fuck relax shut shut up they're fining people for walking in the woods you hear about that where in saskatchewan is that where it is jammy walking in the woods yeah this guy got fined 20 they told you that if you get caught in the woods because it's so hot out they're worried about wildfires there's no wildfires but they're worried about wildfires every year you [22:38] fine people. $28,000. [22:41] To walk into the woods. That's a lot of money. One guy did it. One guy's like, fuck you, I'm going to the woods. And then he went viral, of course. [22:48] Which is a good move. What's going on in the UK? Good $28,000 move. They're putting thousands of people in jail for social media posts. Oh, yeah. No, banana stuff. These fuckets, everybody's going communist. [23:02] Yeah, one person put this Facebook post or something like that critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women. And because of putting that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail. Absolutely. Fucking ridiculous. 20 months in jail. In the UK. In the UK. That's fucking crazy, dude. Bunch of sensitive pussies. They've arrested. Jesus.

[23:32] because he had this conversation with this guy where he said, how many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in Russia? [23:40] And, you know, he tells them what the number is. It's like it's like about 400. Like, oh, wow. He goes, how many people do you think get arrested for. . . [23:49] social media posts in the UK. [23:51] And the guy was like, what? It was like, it's 4,000. [23:55] Damn. It's true. What would the charge be for posting something? They don't have freedom of speech like we do. Dude, I actually saw a police cam video where the cop was telling them that, yeah, but your post offended. It's like, what the fuck do you mean? I'm going to jail because my post offended someone? Get the fuck out of here. What is this, Jamie? A man has been jailed? [24:17] for Facebook person encouraging violence. He's been jailed for 20 months for encouraging people on social media to attack a hotel in Leeds housing more than 200 migrants. [24:29] So is this the same guy, Jamie? I Googled man jailed in the UK for Facebook posts 20 months. [24:36] This is what came up. [24:37] Interesting. Well, that's different. That's Google funneling you to what they want you to see. Oh, he was talking about violence. [24:44] Well. [24:45] No, but I'm not sure. I mean, maybe he was talking about violence. I mean, this guy obviously was. In the video where the whatever the guy with the wig is, what are they called over there? Yeah, right. They wear the wigs. If you could find the video, Jimmy, the guy's full on wearing the wig. A wig like a George Washington wig. And so he reads the Facebook post that this guy made.

[25:10] You know, which wasn't nice. But then, you know, then he says, like, for this egregious crime, I sentence you to 20 months of detention. And even the wording they use is weird. It wasn't like detention. It was like a weird euphemism for fucking jail. He's on time out. Yeah. It was weird listening to him talk. It's super dystopian. He's got a custodial sentence and he only has to serve half of it. Oh, yeah. [25:37] So there's to serve 10 months in a prison for doing that, for making a post on Facebook. Can you find the video, Jamie? Well, I'm sure. [25:47] Find the video because it's kind of funny when you see the guy's wig. Like, they have to wear the wig. That's like the move over there. The old school powdered wig. Wasn't it back in the day that they used to wear them to hide shit? No, it was syphilis. They were losing you. Oh, no, wait. Yeah, that's where the term big wig comes from because the richest people got the biggest wigs. They all got syphilis. [26:09] So this is what happened. They came over to America, right, in the 1492 days. Yeah. When they came back, they brought syphilis. Oh. And syphilis just going rampant through these European cultures. And these people have holes in their faces. So syphilis came from here and then went back there? This is the thought. So there's different types of syphilis, but they're pretty sure there's some evidence that indicates that one type of syphilis was transferred from Native American populations to Europeans. [26:39] to it just like we had a resistance to smallpox and the flu when the Europeans came over here, and that's what the Indians did, and that's why they got wiped out. Well, they didn't have resistance to this kind of syphilis. This is like hole in your face. Your fucking, your hair falls out. This is the guy. Listen to this motherfucker.

[26:57] You did not want your money going to immigrants who, quote, rape our kids and get priority, end quote. This offense is so serious. [27:09] that an immediate custodial sentence is... [27:12] unavoidable. [27:14] Would you stand, please? [27:16] The sentence that I pass has been reduced by one third to reflect your guilty plea. [27:23] The sentence is one of 20 months imprisonment. [27:26] say that you didn't custode you. He didn't want his money going to immigrants and went to jail. This wasn't somebody threatening violence. Yeah. They edited the post, so we don't know what else to say. Right. There was an edit. I was going to point that out. There's something there. So here's the thing, too. Whenever it's possible for something like this to exist... [27:45] Whatever is possible. [27:47] There's going to be a bunch of people from other countries that edit stuff. [27:52] to make you more mad at the people in the UK. Like, they're doing – China does that in America. There's a lot going on with social media and these kind of clips and posts and stuff. There's a lot more going on than makes sense. [28:07] People always bitch about America, but look at that shit. [28:10] You know what I mean? They're not locking anybody up over here yet. You can't bitch about America in comparison. The whole rest of the world is way worse in terms of how you're able to express yourself, the consequences of expressing yourself. Like... [28:25] This is a pretty good spot. It's just not perfect.

[28:28] It's a cool thing. It feels weird now that it's... [28:31] like the younger generation, everybody's like, [28:33] They just like it feels cool to say like fuck America like people like you wear an American shirt. They just think you're a fucking MAGA guy or something dude, but you can't be proud of where you're from exactly America. You can't be proud of your country America is everything [28:46] It's all the things. [28:49] We're so tribalized, and we have to get over that. That's the number one problem is people decide that those people that they hate, and they hate everything about them. And then, okay, now you've got 50% of the country that you can't associate with that's not on your team. Like, what did you do? And so, well, now you have to justify everything your team believes in, including shit that doesn't make any sense and shit that is probably immoral, you know, [29:16] trans-kids surgeries and shit like that. You have to sign off on that, because if you don't, then you're signing off on these right-wing bigots that want to fucking put the Bible in every... So you're a Nazi. Yeah, you're a Nazi. It's like, it's bad. Both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side, because it's all cartoonish, because most people live in the middle of shit. Yeah. I mean, I feel that's 100% true. Most people are in the middle. [29:46] Like the point you made earlier, too. [29:49] You're getting just fired through the algorithm, you know, the shit that pisses you off if that's what you're clicking on all day long anyway. So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper, I think, because they're just inundated 24-7. Like, sometimes you just got to stop and get outside or watch a TV show to decompress. That's the fucking problem, though. You can't even enjoy... Man...

[30:10] What they did with Star Wars, with the Aculite, you can't even enjoy. You can't enjoy. I love the pop culture. I love movies. I tried to watch The Electric State. [30:21] that fucking thing because I love robots going fucking rogue and AI shit. What's the Electric State? It's a Netflix movie with Chris Pratt and it looked like a big budget. It was by the Russo Brothers who did the Avengers and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I know it's about AI robots. [30:36] Dude, what a piece of shit. I couldn't even get through the opening. And then I know what I don't like. I don't like when I'm watching a movie and already I see, okay, I know who the director is voted for. Like, you know what I mean? They're bringing up the uprising of the robots and they go and to celebrate the enslavement of the robots, Kid Rock did a concert. Oh, did he really? Did he really? You fucking assholes. I can't wait to shit. [31:06] Okay, you're on that side. I turned it off. You're bringing me right out of it because you're showing me like you're taking shots for the audience to know. Dude, fuck off. I want to see some fucking robots. I want to be entertained. I don't want to know about your fucking politics. I feel like we have political fatigue, though. I feel like most people are tired of talking about it. Most people are like, just stop. That's where I'm at. I don't want to talk about this shit ever. It's also like pretending that one side is beyond reproach. [31:36] is fucking ridiculous. And if you're one of those tribal people, you have to do that. You have to support your side. And, like, that just gets nuts. You can't do that. There's too many people. There's too many financial interests. There's too much money. There's too much shit going on. There's too much...

[31:50] Why is there bromate in my bread, bitch? Exactly. [31:55] That's the political point. You motherfuckers have been doing a terrible job of taking care of us. You're not really taking care of us. We want to think you're like a cool counselor or something like that. It's like looking out for the rest of the kids that are on this camp together. Our councilman is going to take care of us. They're going to teach us how to get through the woods. Meanwhile, they're just stealing money. No, you can't go to the woods. [32:20] eight thousand but that's Canada I mean but this is the problem with places that don't have the freedoms that we have like the Constitution our founding fathers they nailed they really did they it's crazy that they nailed that so well they knew human nature so well that it applies like it's important 300 years later maybe since they came from a monarchy you know what I mean they [32:41] They gave them that perspective. They were so smart. But I wonder how many of them were there, right? How many really well-educated people were around back then? Think about the age. Couldn't have been that many. It ain't even that many now. A lot of young kids that were writing this thing. Yeah. Some of them were in their early 20s. But that's middle age back then. That's a good point, man. That's fucking middle age. That's true. You get an infection back then. You get a stab. That's ziplin. Done by 35 over there. [33:11] syphilis thing is really nuts, though. But that is why that stupid fucking thing that that guy was wearing on his head. That's the tradition based off of syphilis. And they still do this shit today. Yeah, and the guys with the most money have the biggest wigs. That's why they call them big wigs. Big wigs.

[33:26] It all started with these two brothers that were royals. Was it brother or a guy and his cousin? I forget. But these guys who were royals in France and these guys were like, you know, the socialites. They were the celebrated people and they started losing their hair because they're freaks. You know, they're fucking up a storm over there and they're catching syphilis and they got holes in their face and shit. They smell awful and their fucking hair is falling out. So they just get a wig. [33:53] And then other dudes say, I want to be like him. So they got wigs. And then a bunch of people started getting syphilis. They covered it up with wigs. But that's crazy to me that you're almost celebrating having syphilis by getting a bigger wig. Well, you know what it is? It's like you're not celebrating syphilis, but since everybody's wearing a wig, your wig is the dopest wig. That's right. You've got to have a dopest one right here. Isn't it crazy that it's all because of sexually transmitted diseases? Wearing that shit taboo. It's crazy. It's our first export, syphilis. [34:23] man smallpox wiped out what i like yeah the whole country the whole all of north america was filled with people they all got killed there's like 90 of the people got killed yeah damn what year was that this was between the times of the first settlers to the like the 1800s it was 90 percent 90 percent native americans died from disease that [34:48] Europeans brought. And you know, for a long time, they were trying to deny, they were trying to figure out, like, what happened to the Mayans? Well, I'll tell you what happened to the Mayans. Disease. Disease. Obviously, Europeans, they had this spectacular civilization in Mexico. If you ever go down and, you ever go and seen any of the ruins? Yeah, I went to Chichen Itza. Yeah, I went there too, yeah, I went there too, a couple months ago. It's amazing. Fucking dope. It's dope. Like, what were they, what drugs were these motherfuckers?

[35:18] I don't know, man. A thousand years ago. Five hundred years ago. It's pretty amazing to see. And even like the, remember that, the ball court they had where you could stand at one end or the other and you could hear each other talking and shit because of the acoustics. And just the sheer size of it. The size of it. It's like, wow. Yeah. It was crazy. And then just wiped out by a cough by dirty, stinky Europeans right off the boat breathing on everybody. Swept through the people. No immunity to it. It's crazy. [35:48] It's exactly what happened to all the Amazon, too, man. They're finding that out now. The Amazon was all just disease. [35:56] Damn. They had millions of people who were living in the Amazon and some Europeans went to visit in like, I forget what year it was, but they came back and had these stories about these beautiful like cities and filled with gold and all this crazy shit. And then people went back a hundred years later and it was all gone. And they said, oh, this guy was lying. Some white tourists. But it wasn't, yeah. Isn't that crazy? It wasn't lies. It just wasn't. [36:20] So now they use LIDAR and they scan over the top of the forest and they see where these cities used to be. There's so much shit over there that they haven't even uncovered. [36:29] It's just nuts that it's just dirty diseases. [36:33] Those first people that fucking, hey, coming over to those fucking boys. They were hard-ass enough to make it here. You know they were bringing some shit with them. Oh, bro, you know how hard people must have been back then? Just to even say, okay, I'm going to try it. When someone says, hey, we've got a wood boat, we're going to go out there. We have no idea if a storm is coming. I've always give Christopher Columbus credit for that shit. On a fucking wooden boat in the middle.

[37:03] directions to get to the fucking apex half the time. The crazy thing is we give him credit for landing here and he didn't even make it here. Yeah. [37:11] He landed like the Indies, right? Like the West Indies? This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you've got something to say, sell, or share with the world, you need a legit online presence. Me, I use Squarespace to power my website. It's easy to use, and with their AI-enhanced website builder and built-in tools for booking, payments, emails, all of it, you can actually run your business, not just build a site. Go to squarespace.com slash rogan for a free trial. [37:41] Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Where did Columbus actually land? It was like near the Bahamas. [37:49] He wasn't even in America. Hey, I'm going to fuck where he landed. That motherfucker went out in the ocean 500 years ago on a boat. Crazy. We give him Christopher Columbus Day to land here? [37:59] Man, I'm looking at the Vikings, these motherfuckers. [38:03] you know, just conquered nations going everywhere. [38:06] So what does it say here? [38:09] San Salvador in the Bahamas. [38:12] He first landed on an island in the Bahamas. Like, that is not America, bitch. You don't get credit for discovering America. The Italians were taking credit anyway. But that's probably when them diseases started hitting them areas. [38:27] Thank you. [38:28] Oh, I also had that. The history of smallpox goes back to the 6th century, starting in China. [38:33] Smallpox does.

[38:35] Interesting. So the sixth century and then was it mostly smallpox that killed off the Native Americans or was it a bunch of different diseases that we brought with us? [38:45] problem. [38:46] The 17th century European settlers bring smallpox. [38:51] There's an amazing guy named... [38:54] What is that, Jimmy? [38:56] European sailors are here with us. [38:58] Christopher Columbus, that's in the 16th century. [39:00] That's not what you think. [39:01] Right? [39:02] 1500s? [39:03] Right. If he landed in 1492. Yeah, 1492. Right. [39:07] It's 200 years later almost. [39:09] Right, but it's probably like [39:11] how many people came, you know what I mean? [39:14] like, [39:16] when Christopher Columbus came, [39:18] That was – so this is 1492. He lands in the Bahamas. [39:23] How many people were interacting with them? [39:26] Once they started coming over here regularly, when did folks start hopping in boats and coming over regularly? [39:34] like the early settlers. [39:36] I wouldn't have did it. No fucking way. No fucking way. [39:44] Those people were animals, man. For real. You're going to take a chance. This dude knows how to get across the ocean in a wooden boat using a thing. Yeah. Like a sextant where you stare at the stars and try to figure out where you are. And he's drunk all the time. Jamestown was 1607 when that started. That's when it started, huh? Interesting. [40:04] So that probably makes sense for like 100 fucking years they talked about it.

[40:09] Isn't that kind of crazy? I like in Vikings. You see the show Vikings? That show was amazing. They talked about America for 100 years before they came over. Oh, no shit. Yeah, so it's like he lands in the Bahamas, and then 100 years later. Oh, right. And then it's when people started. Yeah, then they start the first comedy. I wonder how long it took him just. [40:26] To get across. Can you imagine what it would be like setting up a colony in a new country, and you know there's people with bows and arrows waiting in the bushes. Yeah, just waiting in the bushes. Did you know that, though? The first people that you set up the colony. They knew. They knew that there's fucking Indians waiting for them. Oh, yeah, everybody knew. They knew that this was inhabited, and they knew the type of people. They'd come back, whether it was Columbus's people or whoever was here, came back, and they had all these crazy stories. [40:56] interacting with also [40:58] the craziest stories were from... There was a... [41:01] One of the guys was a priest or something, some holy man that was traveling with Columbus who had detailed descriptions of the horrific shit Columbus and his men did to whoever the indigenous people were. Oh, horrible shit. They were saying, if you don't bring back your weight in gold, we'll chop off your arms. They were chopping arms off, dashing babies' heads on rocks. Jesus Christ. Damn. They were forcing these people to bring them gold. [41:30] Do you remember that guy's name? Father something or another. So he had his memoirs of... [41:37] his time over there with Christopher Columbus's people. And he was like, it was horrific. So these people that we celebrate, I mean, this is one thing that the wokesters got, right. You know, if you want to celebrate Christopher Columbus, like Christopher Columbus, we have Columbus day. Like,

[41:53] Be careful who you're celebrating. If that father, that priest, was telling the truth, you're celebrating a monster. You're celebrating literally like a mass murderer who would go to another country. It's believable when you think about history. Bro, that's all they did back then. I mean, everybody conquered everybody at one point or another. Yeah, and when there was no Internet, you could get away with a lot. A whole lot. A whole lot. Yeah, nobody knew you were coming. You're coming with boats. You're fucking people up. You're taking all their shit. [42:23] is you're like... It was... [42:25] This is probably the only time in history where a boat can land in a place and it's not hostile. In America, when boats come here, it's like, oh, we're good. But for the most part, most boat travel is not hostile. It's like, oh, look, a big boat full of people. They're going to come eat at our restaurants. And strange people from a different land are going to come and enjoy what we have to offer here in Portugal or wherever you are. Some people are counting on that. Bro, it used to be a boat showed up. You didn't know it was on. It was on. The war horns. Yeah. Yeah. [42:55] a fucking a shell that's how they live forever that's how people live for thousands of years it's nuts it's amazing we made it as far as we did [43:15] I don't know if we'll do another thousand. [43:18] I think I'm just saying like Think about where we are now Like those dudes they was hard right Regardless they was hard Now we in TikTok culture Ain't not hard like that There's a lot of that and there's an encouragement of men to not be strong

[43:35] which is always weird. Pushing the beta male thing. It's always weird. There's that encouragement. And it comes from people that aren't strong. They want more people like them, people more like us. Yeah, yeah. And when they're in control of social media, that's where things get weird. The fucking Acolyte. I'll tell you. They clipped all the balls from the Jedis. Nobody's going to want an action figure of that fucking little... They make the Star Wars. Well, I mean, they made the Jedis just pull up pussies. I mean, they pussified the Hulk in Marvel. [44:05] and now he can talk. Now it doesn't make any sense that you would go back and forth between being the Hulk and being Bruce Banner. Yeah, because he's all in the same. He's supposed to be a super smart guy who's weak. [44:16] You know, I, it's just, that wasn't that great. That movie, but Superman, that is a weird choice to give a guy role to a girl. It's a weird choice. Cause there's so many girl roles in, in super. There was tons of chick superheroes, especially in the X-Men. The X-Men had plenty of them. They got to do that over right now. It's like, you've got super woman. You've got, there's plenty of different characters you could play. [44:46] I don't know why. Yeah, why are you? Unless you're trying to prove a point. Unless, like Matt Sarah says, I know who you voted for. Yeah. [44:55] To be fair, there is a female Silver Surfer. Yeah. For all the people that do that. So this is the second one? Well, here's the deal with that. She was in maybe two episodes where she mattered, and the rest of them she was mentioned. Like, she's not a real character. Bro, I used to love the Silver Surfer. Did anybody ever do a Silver Surfer? I'm a comic book nerd. Like a flat-out movie that's any good? Not a straight-up one.

[45:16] for when they got the Silver Surfer pretty good in that one, I thought. He looked good in that. Why wouldn't they have a Silver Surfer movie? That's a no brain. I know, that's like my favorite character. A badass Silver Surfer. Cosmic character. Yeah, he's zen as fuck. Never gets upset. A thousand percent. I mean, he basically sacrificed himself to save his planet and his girl. Bro, the Silver Surfer is literally the coolest comic book guy. He made him look cool in this. Rise of the Silver Surfer. Yeah, I thought they did him good in this one. They did a whole episode [45:46] movie of the Avengers on the Silver Surfer. I forgot about that. Fantastic Four. What year was that? This was Fantastic Four. Oh yeah, Fantastic Four. This was pre-Avengers. 2007. This was when Jessica Alba was the invisible woman. [45:58] And Captain America was the human torch Chris Evans Hold on, who played Silver Surfer in this? [46:05] I don't remember. It might have been all CGI. He looked the part though. I thought they nailed it, I thought. They nailed it. The voice was Lawrence Fishburne. Yeah, I remember that. When I was chubby, I looked like Michael Chicklets. I don't know what the fuck his name is. The Shield. The Shield was a good show. Yeah, that was a great show. It kind of looked like the thing. But yeah, I saw that new Fantastic Four movie and it wasn't overly woke or anything. But [46:34] They could have done more with the thing. [46:36] Yeah, I heard he was like a minor part. And, you know, the girls had the best parts. They're the ones that did the thing with Galactus at the end. I don't know. No spoilers. What the fuck? Right. So, you know, but I am happy to say, and I know you were waiting for me to bring it up, I enjoyed the new Superman.

[46:52] I didn't see it yet. Of course not. We're all adults, except for me. I want to see it, though. I heard it's good. [47:00] Man, I don't believe I never heard of that song, Punk Rocker by Teddy Bears. Oh, that'll change your life. It has Iggy Pop in it? Uh-oh. Oh, it gets my nipples hard. It's so good. And the movie, if you like Guardians of the Galaxy, which I'm sure you did. I love that movie. Yeah. Then you'll like this because it's just fun. [47:19] Let's have fun again. That's it. I am not against the Henry Cavall one. He was a badass. Yeah, he was good. I thought he played a good Superman. Snyder's got that darker feel. Isn't it kind of weird that we still want to see the same fucking characters over and over and over again in different versions of the same movie? Like, isn't it kind of weird? No, because some people love those characters. I understand, but it's like... [47:40] There's a little thing of it that it's like seeking comfort. [47:44] in in this thing oh it's superman again like not letting go of our childhood yeah yeah yeah 100% because like try coming up with a new superman today people are gonna be like fuck you like some new kind of comic book guy like not that no background at all in comic books so you you come up with a superhero type character now in a movie [48:06] No one's going to watch it. I don't want a new one. No one wants a new one. Everyone wants the Hulk. Everybody wants Spider-Man. You want to see Spider-Man. There's like, how many different dudes have been the Hulk? Four or five dudes have been the Hulk. Yeah, they kept changing the Hulk. A bunch of dudes have been Spider-Man. I thought Ed Norton was good. Ed Norton was the best. They got rid of him because he wanted to keep the Hulk.

[48:24] like the Hulk. You know what I mean? They didn't like it. Yeah. That was my favorite version of the Hulk. Yeah. The Ed Norton movie. And he's running through the favelas in Brazil. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome. That was a fun movie. When the Hulk starts running through that factory and he's smashing through walls. Yeah. Right. Hell yeah. That's when it was like, see, you kind of knew it was bullshit. You're looking at it like the CGI. It's okay. It's a comic. But as long as you keep it kind of darkly lit. Yeah. Yeah. [48:54] They got better with that. They got better with the... It wasn't too long ago for Hancock. That was a superhero that was just out of nowhere. I can't watch anything with this fucking guy anymore. I didn't want to pick it up that way. His dog sucks. I was about to say, what do you hear him laughing? His whole... He's nuts, man. Real corny. And this guy's doubling down on smacking Chris Rock. You know that? He has a verse. He's like, you disrespect me on this stage, expect me on this stage. Which is kind of a cool saying, but, you know... Yeah. I mean, that was horse shit. He's doubling down on it. He spiraled. [49:24] And then, I mean, you're basically, he stole our show name because he is a cuck. [49:33] You saw what the hell. His wife is humiliated, that poor guy. Yeah, publicly. [49:38] Yeah, that was weird. And he was universally loved, and now he's pretty well-known. [49:43] Almost universally reviled for him and Chris. Everybody loves that Chris Rock. His music shit. I was about to say his rap is so trash. Garbage. Sometimes you hit your horse to the wrong wagon. Yeah. And that'll take you on a bad journey, son. That'll take you on a bad journey. And you might hang in there for a while and keep your sanity for a while.

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[53:34] There's real... [53:36] concerns that intelligent people have about population decline that sounds kind of crazy like well we're not going to population decline plenty of people but the problem is people are not having nearly as many people like replacement people it's like not enough like in order for a society to exist at the same numbers is essentially everyone has to have kids right right but a giant percentage of people like in our generation and younger generations are not having kids they're deciding to opt out of it and just focus on their career and they say in italy and here [54:06] I mean, Japan, they're all having a negative population over the years. They're not having enough kids to sustain... [54:13] the population. And you add into that microplastics that are killing everybody's balls. Knocking down your... [54:21] It's kind of weird. It's like a thing that we don't see coming. You know, we don't see it coming, like a real population. But places like Japan are freaking out, man. They're really worried about it. [54:31] South Korea, same thing. Really? Yeah, it could be a real problem. I didn't even know that was a thing. Well, it just makes sense, man. If you've got everybody just wants to have a career, and if you can't focus on your career because you have kids, you put your kids off until you're in your late 40s. What's the number, like the 2.1 or something? You have to have 2.1 kids in order to maintain just the current level of population. Someone was telling me that in vitro fertilization, which a lot of women use, that those hormones that they have to give you are linked to cancer. [54:59] Really? Is that true, Jamie? Can you look that up?

[55:04] because someone brought it up to me and I was like, I don't know if that's really. And why is testosterone in the younger generation not as strong as it used to be? Microplastics. He had a lady on that went deep into that stuff. There's no strong evidence to see. This is AI. AI is working for the government, man. [55:26] Okay, let's see. National Institute of Health says transient increase in the risk of having breast or uterine cancer. [55:33] So as soon as you... [55:36] started admitting things like that to me. [55:38] And this says no conclusive evidence of fertility. 1999. Yeah. Six years old. Right. [55:45] What does it say? 17, do not. [55:50] It says doesn't. [55:51] Treatments do not increase the risk of ovarian cancer. [55:54] malignant melanoma or cancers of the endometrium? Hmm... [56:00] Why am I skeptical? [56:02] Maybe I'm skeptical because you're using Google. [56:06] I know, but you know what I'm saying? That's the place to use. But I would wonder how much of that would be available. [56:15] Like if someone... [56:16] If someone's some sort of an alternative doctor or someone who's stepping outside of the lines and saying, I'm treating a bunch of cases of cancer, where would you even find that guy's work? [56:26] I don't know. [56:28] No idea. Twitter? Twitter? [56:30] Yeah, that's the problem, right? You see a thing on Twitter, you're like, is this guy a quack? Right. Is this guy real? But a person told it to me that I trust.

[56:38] And I was like, really? [56:39] That stuff causes cancer? [56:41] So [56:41] Because you've got to dose yourself up with a bunch of hormones when ladies do that in vitro fertilization thing. [56:49] All I know is I like that [56:51] Now, at our age, we're all in our 50s. Are you 50 yet, motherfucker? [56:55] Next year. I'm still in my 40s, man. I mean, are you on TRT yet? Yeah, I got a little bit of it. Man, thank goodness. A little bit of it. Thank God we have that, man, because back in the day, they'd be fucked up at our age. Back in the day, we would just find it on the street. [57:11] Well, I don't think you'd ever be in a different neighborhood. But those guys were right. That's what's crazy is, like, old juice heads were right in a lot of ways. There's a lot of old juice heads in the gym that were looking jacked in their 50s and 60s. [57:25] Bobby just stays on D-ball. This guy stays on 1cc. [57:31] He's got D-ball. You'd meet people in the gym that would tell you what they do and how they did it. And then you had to take advice from those folks. And a lot of fighters got their – you would think by the time a fighter gets to the UFC, like, well, he's probably got a professional team behind him, a bunch of really organized folks. Like, no, no, no. These dudes come with sketchy characters. Like super sketchy connections to the screen. [57:55] I always just read as much as I could, you know, if you were going to try to get as much information as you could about what you're putting in yourself. The best guy is online is Derek. Oh, now, yeah. More plates, more dates. He wasn't around in the 80s and 90s. I know, but he's like the best version of a bro scientist. You know? He's a smart motherfucker. Smart motherfucker. Unreal. Yeah. Yeah.

[58:15] I wouldn't fuck with that myself. I go to a place that they check my blood every six weeks. That's how it should be. You've got to donate blood now. You've got to do this and that so it doesn't get too thick. I heard that before, but I don't have that problem for some reason. Really? It doesn't do it to everybody. Every once in a while, I go donate the blood. I get nervous. I got checked a bunch of times. Make sure I'm okay. [58:38] Yeah, you're perfect. It's supposed to get you a... [58:41] I only had to do the blood twice. I did. You do it every six weeks? No. Six weeks? No, you mean you're getting a blood test. No, they check me. And if it gets too high, my red blood cells or whatever they do. Oh, so you're just getting the finger prick to see what you're... Yeah, they take a little blood out, and then they check it, and then they check all my... Yeah. Everything from... Well, they can do your red blood cell count. Like, if you go donate blood, they... [59:00] fucking prick your finger and check what your level is. Yeah, I go there. My place finds out first, and then they say, all right, I can either do a dump there, but they don't use the blood. I like to donate it. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I do the same. Do you have unvaccinated blood? Do you have pure blood? I got pure blood, man. Do you? I don't. They pay me double. Three times. I got all three of them. You know what happened to me? Yeah, I got all. I had to. I had to. Why? Because you had to work. I had to work. UFC made us. Work for what? UFC made me. Yeah, they made me. They didn't make me. [59:30] I'm not talking to the nation. You've got to travel, though. If you're traveling all the places. That's the problem. Fuck. Some of these countries weren't letting you in without it. [59:37] Yeah, they wouldn't listen without a hot dog.

[59:50] Shouldn't you be able to go, fuck you, you made me take this and this thing didn't even work. It didn't even do any of the things you said. I feel bad for the people. It's crazy what you can get away with in the world, especially during something like a pandemic, you know, where everybody just agrees to different rules. Because that's what happened during the pandemic. I was thinking about that shit. Are people still dying from COVID? No. That's what I'm saying. Like, what happened today? There's people that are dying with COVID. [1:00:14] So there's people that are dying and they also have COVID, but they're dying. Yeah. Right. And that's the difference. And that's why the numbers for the deaths were elevated so high. You got a cancer. You had a fucking shark. Oh, a shark attack. Check the fetus. He's got COVID. Yeah. Like everybody died of COVID because they were financially incentivized in people to treat deaths as COVID deaths. Same with the ventilators. They were getting more money if they had somebody put on a ventilator. [1:00:44] Imagine that. There was so much craziness. Like, you know, when we were saying we hope that someone is – [1:00:50] in charge that knows exactly what to do. And I know there's a lot of times in history. You have no idea what they're doing. And then financial interests get involved. And then they come up with, we're going to just make everybody take this. This is going to be amazing. Yeah. A lot of money. A load of money. What was she going to get by the way they wanted it? Just take it once. Two. They can't take you to court. [1:01:13] Yeah, and then they can't take it to court. No liability. Because they called it a vaccine, but it's not even really a vaccine. It's a gene therapy. It's a totally novel, new thing that you're giving to 300 million people just in this country alone. The ads were so shady. Like, I'd be in my car, and it'd be like two students talking, like, my parents don't want me to take it, but I'm really nervous. It was like really crazy. I'm like, what the fuck is this? So nuts. Bro, that's so nuts. You know how many people have stories where they let their kid take it, and then the kid has a stroke?

[1:01:43] This is there all over online. Myocarditis was a big thing. Myocarditis. Yeah. There's undiagnosed myocarditis out there, too. I bet where people just just feel tired all the time. Feel a little fatigued. Yeah. So am I the only one here who got the vaccine? Yeah. Jamie got COVID real early. Jamie survived it early. So I knew. [1:02:04] I knew it was not that big a deal. Good job, Jamie. Took one for the team, Jamie. Jamie toughed it through. Jamie seems okay. All right. And then Tony Hitchliffe got it. He got it worse than Jamie. He had it a little longer than you, right? [1:02:17] You don't remember? [1:02:19] Yeah, man. The creepy thing is these motherfuckers, they meet and they say, there will be another pandemic. How do you know? Well, what about Biden and friends were trying to sign one with the WHO where they had control over being able to shut the U.S. down? Yes. In all this nonsense. Thank God we pulled right the fuck out of that. What a dumb idea. Let some giant global health organization say over over that's fully corrupt. [1:02:49] Let these motherfuckers run the country because a cold is spreading. Bill Gates is the number one bonator to it. [1:02:55] Yeah. [1:02:56] Just nuts, man. [1:02:57] It's just nuts. [1:02:59] Crazy shit. Before I got here, I was watching... [1:03:04] uh, [1:03:06] fucking Kamzat versus Kamoru Usman. Not to just jump into that now. Yeah, let's jump into it. [1:03:12] You know, I had Dracus on Unfiltered the other day. Yep. And, you know, he's an intelligent guy, man. He's not a guy that...

[1:03:19] doesn't do his homework. And he was just saying about, everybody talks about how aggressive Kamzad is, and he goes, watch his fight, [1:03:25] in Kamara Usman the second round. [1:03:27] Over three minutes of him just standing in front. Standing there. He's like, he's not going to be able to do that to me. He's going to be working the whole time. He trains so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes. That one minute... [1:03:38] Gets him right back. It's almost like he approaches that at like five different fights. You know what I mean? Because in that one minute he comes back down, and then he goes back out there again. Dracus. And we were just talking that we saw. You saw the same thing I saw. With his grappling ability. He took out a whole. I mean, listen. It's different. Those guys are a lot of guard players. But he did a quintet and submitted everybody. Again, they were more jujitsu guys. It's a different type of style. But that was impressive. Not to mention. And I looked. You know, the. [1:04:06] My producers gave me his bio and everything, and I'm like, dude, he started his first thing in the first... [1:04:11] entering into martial arts was at five years old doing judo, and his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling. I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler. Everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks. Well, you know I'm on your side with this. We had that talk last night. I mean, he's a monster. And there's guys, and you know this because you work with Murab, there's guys that reach this level of discipline, and they achieve a level of cardiovascular performance that's just above everybody else's, and then they maintain it. [1:04:41] Like, they get that advantage, and they keep pushing it, and they slowly keep adding on to it. Like, you're seeing Merab now, particularly in the second O'Malley fight. You're seeing it as, like, a totally different beast. He's super confident. Nonstop. And you can't keep up with that. You know, he's like, it's just hard work. It's just hard work. I believe that. But, man. Yeah, but state of mind, too. Like, he believes it mentally. But the amount of hard work is extraordinary to get to that level.

[1:05:11] is kind of a similar thing. Yeah, that kind of guy. I think that dude works so hard that he can go out there and fight full blast, which is weird when you watch him fight. Sometimes it doesn't look as clean. He looks like he's mouth breathing, but he just keeps the same pace. A lot of that was the earlier fights before he got his nose fixed. So he got his nose fixed so he could breathe out of his nose. Makes sense. He changed everything and then went on a tear after that. That's when he crushed Whitaker. The Whitaker one was shocking. [1:05:41] Because we all know how durable Whitaker is, the Yoel Romero fights. That guy's durable as fuck. To watch him just flatten him like that, you're like, whoa, hang on. He's funny. He says, he goes, I don't have a great poker face. He goes, people say I look tired because I am tired. And when you get tired, you breathe out of your mouth more. And he goes, but even if I am tired, I don't have a poker face, but I'm still coming forward. I'm still going to. And he's got confidence. He's beaming with confidence. He's just that guy. I mean, he's a good champion. [1:06:11] I think so. Great champion. Speak well. Yeah. Looks the part. It's interesting, the Izzy fight. I went and watched that again. And, you know, it seemed like Izzy had an advantage up to a point, but then the pressure got to him. Then he got hit with a couple of those long shots. And it just looked like he just didn't have enough in him to fight his way out of it. And when he went down, he got submitted pretty quickly afterwards. But... [1:06:36] I would wonder what Izzy in his prime, how that fight would have looked. Because that would have been a lot different.

[1:06:45] when he was you know he's a little quicker a little better angles yeah also just hadn't been damaged yeah this is the and there's the damage of training is like but like is he paulo costa yeah that's prime yeah that's prime that's also motivated is he [1:07:02] Like, fuck you, Izzy. He was sitting down on his shots, Izzy, yeah. I mean, put him away quick and then dry humped him. Yeah. You know? That was bad. That was terrible. Don't do that, kids. But that Izzy, that would have been very interesting to see him versus Drekas because he could have handled that pressure. Because that pressure is bananas. [1:07:23] You know, like the Anthony Hernandez fight the past weekend. Jesus. That pressure is nuts, man. Crazy. Man, I was like, you couldn't keep up with him. Dude, he looked like a different level. He looked great. He was Roman. Yes. Looked amazing. He looks like a world champion. He looks like a world champion. Spoiled it for you guys. Sorry about that. No worries. [1:07:41] No, I was out. Yeah, when I came home, I was like, fuck. [1:07:45] I didn't see it yet, but I watched it as soon as I got home. I was super impressed, man. That whole division is like, Jesus, there's so many different contenders in that division. You got Bahaglio. Bahaglio. Yeah, man. Imavo. Another tough one. Yeah. This whole fight card this weekend is sick. Strickland. What's going to happen with Strickland? They suspended him indefinitely for punching some dude? Did you see that? He didn't have to do that, man. Those guys got it. Him and Chris Curtis, man, they just... [1:08:12] Man, you can't fuck with them. Yeah, they will not back down. You just can't fuck with them. Yeah, but you can't jump into a cage and punch them. That's what I'm saying. On camera, in front of everybody. That guy was being a little disrespectful.

[1:08:27] I like Strickland. Fuck that guy. And then they interviewed that guy after. He doesn't have anything on the mic. He's like, yeah, well, it's entertainment. He's like, oh boy, here we go. He got what he wanted. I guess he got what he wanted. Yeah, he got his two seconds. [1:08:42] But Sean is crazy. Yeah, man, those guys. He's really late, man. He is what he sells. Yeah. You know what I mean? He walks that fucking walk. It's definitely not an act. You ever see when that guy tried to, well, the guy who was, like, running from the cops, and he was sneaking around his house. Sean came out with a pistol. Yeah, I did see that. The dude had, like, crashed DUI and then jumped out of the car and was running into the wrong fucking yard, right into Sean Strickland. I mean, a lot of times now, though, there is no repercussions. He's sitting in the house waiting to shoot somebody. Oh, bro, he's so excited. [1:09:12] That's a wet dream for him. But, you know, nowadays with that guy being disrespectful like that, everybody's so used to no repercussions. It's like, so everybody just gets so much ruder. I always say that. Bring bullies back. [1:09:26] The world was a better place. Teach everybody martial arts. [1:09:31] I mean, that would help. It just sucks when a guy who is into martial arts like Strickland does something. He is into it. And you still love him. I told him a story last night where... [1:09:42] Long goes again. This kid wants to do an interview. His mother's a little overbearing and you know, she's a little crazy. But then how about the kid? The kid's a nice kid. So I'm like, all right. So after a Saturday class, I got like 60 people. You know, I get my nights aren't great because my ulcerative colitis. But you know, I'm energetic. I do my class. I do this thing for this kid, 12 year old kid.

[1:10:04] And the mother's like, oh, we want to inspire the youth of today because they're all little shits. She's an Irish lady, a little. And then so I sit down with this kid. I'm like, oh, it was OK. [1:10:14] I'm here with freaking UFC legend Matt Serra. And I'm 12 years old, and yet we managed to be the same exact height. [1:10:23] I got fucking, I got blindsided by this little fuck. So now, and when he said that, the husband and the wife, the husband's behind the camera, I'm like, dude, I'm seeing red. I want to fucking. So they're laughing at the kid. In other words, they want a response. So I'm like, so my first thought was directed towards the father who might have taught this kid no manners. Stop lying. The kid's your size. You wanted to hear him. I wanted to see him. I wanted to do a hunk of the fucking Loki in that motherfucker. [1:10:53] Take that little fuck. So then I remembered that... [1:10:58] I got my daughters in there. So I go, so he tried to ask me, I go, so I go, who came up with that question, buddy? He goes, me, me. Now this kid knows I can't strangle him. I want to kill his fat father. And then I remembered my three daughters are in there. So I go inside, I go, just, I can't, I go, give me one second, kid. I go inside, I go, Maria, this kid's giving me a hard time. I want you to roll with him and put it on him. She, okay. On my Instagram, this kid wanted clicks, 38,000 views. [1:11:25] of my daughter. My daughter strangled the fuck out of this kid. And we got some clicks. [1:11:32] And it was phenomenal. And Matt's talking shit. I'm like, the whole time he's talking shit to the kid. Repercussions, Joe. Repercussions. Repercussions. He's like, who's my height now, kid? Oh, my goodness. He didn't even say on the video, oh, you're going to get some clicks on this? Oh, yeah. You want some clicks, you little fuck? Wow. Oh, you see my daughter. No mercy for the 12-year-old. That's crazy. And then after my daughter said, I go, you want to start from the feet or on the knees? He chose on the knees.

[1:12:02] strangles a month that i pull and pull them on top pull them in god i'm just i just i go you're gonna make any more short jokes cameron but anyway i just love jujitsu man shout out to my maria but uh i'm glad i shot my first instinct was attack the old man i'm like you fat fuck i'm standing there giving you my time it's the first [1:12:27] You don't get away with that, I know you for 30 years John, fuck that little fuck. You know? Joe, that's not right. If you think about like the industry of like trying to keep bodies together, what industry, what sport provides more patience than jujitsu? Like everybody, you know, like if you think about it, when you get to a certain point, [1:12:50] and you would train it for a certain amount of time, you're going to get fucking banged up. Like, what sport benefits more from, like, guys in their 40s and 50s with, like, peptides and stem cells? Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Jiu-Jitsu brings a lot of patience because everybody's hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's hurt. A thousand percent. Regular 40-year-old dudes aren't hurt all the time. [1:13:10] You know what I mean? They usually work. They go into an office. They don't rarely get knee injuries. Knee injuries are rare. I'll tell you. 40-year-old jiu-jitsu guys, everybody's knees are fucked up. Everybody's fucked up. Everybody's fucked up. Everybody got a hurt shoulder. Everybody. Everybody's fucked up. Everybody's got a bad... It's better than fucking pickleball. I do a 40-night class every Wednesday. I teach it. Oh, me and me. And then just to feel like Gordon Ryan, I jump on the old men. I have fun with them.

[1:13:40] They fucking love it. Sometimes when it's less than 20, I'll do like my old school jiu-jitsu gang fight. Everybody, I pick teams. I put this guy over there. I get it kind of even. They all start on their knees. You remember this. We used to do it from the feet back in Henzo's. Everybody's breaking their backs, jumping on backs. But it stops when one team, no lower body submissions. It could be two on one, three on one. It stops when one team submits the whole other team. So we got these old men in there like, they're jumping on backs. [1:14:10] They're upstairs in the locker room. It reminds me of the Twilight Zone movie when they play Kick the Can. They're like little kids up there talking about it. They have such a good time practicing murdering each other. Isn't that funny? It's so much fun. Making it novel like that. Making it like a team feeling. Oh, it's funny. Especially if you trust each other. If you're all training partners. The biggest thing I've ever heard. This episode is brought to you by Manscaped. Wondering what to get your dad on Father's Day. [1:14:38] The Beard and Dome Bundle from Manscaped is a really solid option. I've been using their Dome Shaver for a while now, and the thing I like about it is how easy it makes everything. You don't have to think about it. It just glides over your head, gets everything clean, no weird patches, no going over the same spot ten times. Honestly, it's so much better than anything. [1:14:58] any of the other brands I've tried. And then there's the Beard Hedger. It's got this zoom wheel with 20 different length settings that's built right in. So if you want to get your dad something he'll actually use, the Beard and Dome bundle for Manscaped is an easy pick. Get 15% off plus free shipping with the code ROGAN15 at manscaped.com. That's 15% off plus free shipping

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[1:16:58] Oh, that place is great. They're so fucking great. A lot of positive results from that place. I know a lot of people went down there. I'm able to throw my right hand again, which I used to wave like fucking this. And now I'm just so happy I'm able to do it again. Bring it back to the Kamaru fight with Shemaev. Kamaru's been down there, too. I was down there a couple years ago. Yeah, it's a lot of UFC guys going down there. Oh, 100%. And now that CPI in Tijuana is a closer trek. That place is really good. [1:17:28] Okay, very interesting They're really good, I know a lot of people Eddie Bravo's been down there multiple times But I know a lot of UFC fighters that have been down there Man, I've been to Again, Columbia, what is it, Medellin? Am I saying that right? I always fuck that up But hey, the food down there was fucking delicious Went out there with my Jedi Abe He took me into town The food, I was eating the bread I was, and I'm just, again South America knows how to do that Fuck that bro mate [1:17:55] yeah i went down there dan severin was down there we were down there yeah dan the beast he was in a fucking wheelchair getting rolled around oh no yeah he's in a wheelchair no it's just for that trip because he was getting uh treatments yeah oh oh oh breaker oh [1:18:12] Oh, yeah. You've got to be addicted to these fucking things. [1:18:14] Yeah, you got my, at home, my Muay Thai coach at home, Vince Mosky, runs the Muay Thai program. He goes, yeah, tell Rogan, thanks. I tried them fucking Zins, and now I'm addicted to them, you know? I took my whole vacation off of them. And like I said, I was like wondering what it was going to feel like. I was like, oh, my word.

[1:18:32] No, nothing's fine. There's nothing. I just think it's I think it might be a biological thing. You know, some people cigarettes just get them and they just want to smoke cigarettes every day. And some people nicotine gets them. I think some people could just stop taking nicotine and they seem to be all right. And thankfully, I seem to be one of them. It helps me shit. [1:18:53] I think that would be a couple of those with my espresso and a seltzer in the morning. Oh, Jesus. You know, it's terrible. I feel so great. It's terrible for playing pool. [1:19:02] If you take too many of them, you're shaky. You don't have a good connection between your movement. You feel weird when you're shooting. You don't notice it when you're talking because it is a stimulant. So it's stimulating your brain. It actually helps brain function. Nicotine itself is a nootropic. It's a nutrient that helps brain function. It'll help you pass tests. I think it helps my ADD a little. It probably does. Terrible for pool, though. [1:19:30] But I'm still on that alpha brain, so that's all. That's legit. We got gummies now, too, man. Oh, do you? Oh! Gummies. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I'll take some, too. I got a... I'll give you guys a jar of them. We'll get out of here. How many do you take? [1:19:43] I take three. [1:19:46] Oh, shit. Back on the Du Plessis fight there. [1:19:51] I mean, we were talking last night we both think that DDP can pull this out and win it. He can definitely win that. My mindset, and look, we all know Kamzat's a savage. He can win it too. I could see either one of these guys winning this fight. But if we look at it

[1:20:08] I mean, his two toughest opponents, save for Whitaker, who went in there with a broken face and got it broke the rest of the way. [1:20:18] you know, [1:20:18] Gilbert won 70, and maybe Gilbert won that one. [1:20:23] Kamaru, 170, took it on very short notice. Off the couch. Almost won that one. If it goes longer, probably he does win that one. That was middleweight. [1:20:31] Yeah, but he's a 170-pounder. If he's making 70 all the time and going to 85, now you're fighting a dude that walks at 230. So he's not going to have a big strength advantage over him. Yeah, he's going to be the better wrestler. But I just think that Drikus is going to be able to weather the storm and then come out the other side, and it's going to be a problem. [1:21:01] And if he fights at a slower pace, I think that plays into Drikus' hands because it will allow him to move forward and pressure him into things. Well, it's going to be interesting to see if it gets into deep water. [1:21:14] That's what's going to be interesting, because I know he started training with Calavita. Yeah, for his conditioning. Yeah, he went to Sam Calavita, who trained TJ Dillashaw. He works with Aaron Pico. Armand Saroukian's doing it with him, too. And that guy's a legend, man. Calavita is a real... No, 100%. He's a real... I believe with cardio, too, part of it is your mental, your mindset, like with pushing through the tired. And, you know, we were talking a little last night, and, you know...

[1:21:43] comes out's a bad motherfucker I don't know about his mind yet because this is the thing just what I was getting at pulls out of a bunch of fights you know on so you can also just pull it right but Armand said the problem was comes out over trained for every fight and he would always come into fights worn out [1:22:01] And that was the difference between working with Calvita. They're monitoring his actual recovery. They're making sure they're doing everything scientifically. Calvita, I think his background is in cycling. It was in endurance sports. Yeah, yeah. I'm familiar with him. I know he was TJ's guy. Nobody knows more about cardio than cyclers because it's all cardio. The whole thing. It's all cardio. Cardio and EPO. Yeah, they know that too. [1:22:31] what's your threshold, where you should be. For sure. So he's using real science. This is the first time he's ever been through a camp like this where he's coming in fresh, where he's not overtrained. Well, we're going to see. Yeah, we're going to see. We're going to see. And my question is, too, if he gets in a bad spot, [1:22:48] Is he going to push through it? Will the bully crumble? He didn't crumble with Gilbert. I mean, it's true. He got sat down by Gilbert, too, though. But Drake is even said in that fight. [1:22:58] How... [1:22:59] He started strong. There's a certain amount. He was counting how many minutes he was just standing in front of him. He said that with both those fights. His fight with Gilbert and Kamaru Usman. He had the exact amount of time. He goes for three minutes and whatever seconds he was just standing in front of him. He was saying that for both guys. Kamaru was coming on strong in that third round. I know. He was coming on strong. That was a five-round fight. I bet the betting would shift. For sure. Oh, yeah, 100%. He started coming on at the end of the second. He started to. Yes.

[1:23:29] It was all Usman, I thought. Yeah, I mean, but it is impressive the way that motherfucker can shoot from halfway across the octagon. No one glides like that. Yeah, he's wrestling, too. I don't know. Do you know Pat Downey? Yes. All right. I've known him since he's a little kid. And he was in Kamzat's camp and said, like, he said his wrestling, he goes, wrestling is, like, real good. He said he's got top-notch wrestling. Like, he talked about, he said, we probably both did better with each other than you would think. Like, he did better with wrestling and I did better with the jiu-jitsu. [1:23:59] He said the guy's a beast. He said he's strong, and he said he's a high-level wrestler. Schaub was down there watching him train. [1:24:07] And, you know, they asked Shab to spar with him. He's like, fuck you. He's like, I'm 40-something years old. No, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. [1:24:17] And he said Hamzat was just lighting people up. He said he looks really good. Nice. The thing about Hamzat is all these guys were 170s, right? You're right about that. But with 170 comes speed. [1:24:30] and Hamzat's speed is a factor. It's a big factor with his hand speed. People forget because what he did to Kevin Holland, the way he could ragdoll guys on the ground, but what he did to Gerald Merchardt is pretty fucking spooky. That's a really good punch. It's technical, it's sharp, and straight down the middle. He's a very well-rounded guy. He's fucking good standing up, man. He's good standing up, and that's where it's going to be weird. That's where I want to see, because Duplacy makes everybody look stupid.

[1:25:00] He finds a way to get... He makes every mistake. He must have got a lot of power. But they're not mistakes. For sure he has a lot of power. But someone did a great breakdown of what he did with Robert Whitaker, where he set up that right hook. And the way he was recognizing that Whitaker had this certain pattern. And it's not like... It looks weird because he just moves different than everybody else. He's stiff. That's all. He's stiff. Whatever it is, it works. It works. [1:25:30] It doesn't have to be that pretty He's got to have power to make guys So nervous about getting hit by him Bro that guy is so big He looks like a fucking heavyweight when you're next to him How are you a middleweight? How are you 185 ever? The thing that I... [1:25:46] that comes... [1:25:47] I keep thinking about is like, when's the last time he actually though, [1:25:50] fought a guy with Hamzat style. I mean, who's trying to shoot on him? Besides, maybe there was a Derek Brunson or something, but when's the last time he fought a guy that's just going to be... No one has Hamzat style in the UFC. But even a grappler, a street wrestler. What DDP said, he said, look, I'm fully prepared. I'm going to get taken down. He's not in there saying, my wrestling, I'm stuffing him. He said, I'm going to get taken down, but I'm going to weather the storm, and I'm going to be able to get back up. I would advise a strong warm-up in a rubber suit. [1:26:20] man you don't want to cheat you could you can bend the rules because it's not cheating i mean when he gets on top of somebody man you definitely don't see guys getting them off of you so well when you got a guy who's got i mean that actually might not be a bad idea give him them those track suit things to get warm up with it might not be a bad idea because you totally can do that like no

[1:26:50] Well, I mean, everybody remembers his teeth getting shattered. But before that, he wasn't defending him. Yeah, likely he would have survived because Camaro survived it too, right? It's possible to survive. Unless he just, like, what he did to Kevin Holland was kind of crazy. He just went one to the other. Just crushed him. Gilbert, his guard. [1:27:12] Kept him out of it. Yep. Yep. You got to have a decent guard. Yeah. Because he don't like it. When Gilbert started moving his hips, he said, nah, I'm out of here. I'm out of here. Gilbert's actually really world-class. Oh, hell yeah. World-class. Yeah, Gilbert's a star. World-class. Yeah, Gilbert's dangerous as fuck everywhere. You know, it was interesting watching him roll with Rockhold. Because I know that, you know, it's not like Rockhold was in camp and prepared for this. And this is Rockhold at its best. I don't even know how much he had been training. But Hamza just handled him. Yeah, manhand. Just handled him. [1:27:42] good rockhold yeah very good bro listen what's so exciting about it is there's a chance he could just take him down and do what he did everybody else there is that chance definitely because he's so good on the floor and he's he comes out so aggressive but that's the if he survives it [1:27:58] You know, history shows. Does he have the confidence to go for it and possibly empty the gas tank and get the finish? And if he doesn't, how fucked is he? He has no other way. I don't think he – I think he's on smash. That's what he wants. That's what he's – he makes no – you know. You can't adjust now. He's not disguising it. You can't adjust now in the world championship fight. You've got to just hit the gas. It's a sprint. I think instinct's going to kick in, and he is a sprinter. You know what I mean?

[1:28:28] rounds because we know DDP can. Him and Sean Strickland, they were ready to have heart attacks at the end of that fight. They were ready to have heart attacks. This is probably the most elevated heart level we've ever seen in a world championship fight. [1:28:44] He had staff. He had staff. He had staff through the second fight. That's why he was listless. Yeah, he was on antibiotics and everything. He was all fucked up. Yeah, it's fucking terrible, man. That happens all the time. Meanwhile, that happened with Marab. He fucking... No one even noticed. No one even noticed. The dude's on antibiotics. Marab is different, man. Bro, he's so different on antibiotics. He's outworking everybody. Like, that's crazy. That was the... Which fight was that? [1:29:12] With the staff? Yeah. Yeah. [1:29:14] Was it the Umar fight? I think it was the Umar fight. It was the Umar fight, which was crazy because it was Pace that melted Umar. [1:29:21] And he's doing it while he's running in the bag. His back was hurt, too, for that, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. There was times he wasn't sleeping through the night. He couldn't. That is. He is. That is nuts. I saw John Wood the other day. They think they're just going to run through Corey. [1:29:36] Oh, I don't know. Rob just got to run through. I don't know if I'm running through them. You've got to be real careful with hubris. [1:29:45] Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Murab's not. Yeah, I don't believe Murab thinking like that. That's not Murab saying that. John Wood said that? [1:29:52] Well, he... I mean... [1:29:54] Merab could have had leg amputation.

[1:29:59] That's Merab, though. I don't need leg. They could have taken my leg. I only need one leg. He said, oh, he was just taping it up and going back to practice. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Someone close to Merab told me that regular people would have probably had their leg amputated if they had to deal with the staph infection that he had on his leg. Jesus. He was just, like, taping it up and going, I don't believe that. Whoever told you that, that's not true. They would put antibiotics on that. [1:30:24] That's not true. They don't just randomly amputate people's legs, I hope. I hope. It said he had broken his hand early in the fight. Oh, Numerga Medov did. [1:30:34] Um... [1:30:35] He said, I broke my back in training camp, but some days I couldn't get up from the bed. [1:30:40] I just laid down. I don't have a training camp. [1:30:44] I don't have a Khabib Nurmagomedov to help me train. Some days at the PI, it was closed. It was Christmas. It was New Year's and weekends, and it happened a couple of times. Umar was there, and the security goes, I'm sorry, we can't let you go in. [1:30:56] I don't know. [1:30:57] I don't know. [1:30:58] Yeah, Marab's different. Yeah, Marab's built different. Yeah. But there's also something about dudes that are from that part of the world. That is a war-torn part of the world, and it makes a different kind of man. He's the American dream, man. I just had him on my pod, and we were talking for over an hour about his whole journey. [1:31:17] And when he came over, he did not see him. Like, I couldn't even communicate with him. I could because I have a way, but he didn't speak any English. When I see him doing the skits now, the chicken, banana. He's funny as shit. Yeah, I think so. He's funny. He's just – he goes back – and now he goes back to his –

[1:31:37] Did Georgia just add that? [1:31:39] chariots next to him trying to jump on the bus it makes me so happy man because you've seen his whole journey when he first came to new york he was got linked up with fucking retards and these guys were morons and uh thank god he ran into long ago at the heads of gracie academy right and uh [1:31:57] And then he found his way to Longo's. That's a problem, right? If you don't know where to go and you wind up at a real bad camp and then they claim you forever. Oh, man. He had him doing the gold. He had him doing the gold. Just like a bad wife. This guy was a boxer. That's what I always say. Just like a bad marriage. Just like a bad marriage. Yeah. [1:32:14] But he found his way. Yeah, you guys are so good. You and Longo, without a doubt, need a reality show. Oh, fuck. You need some kind of reality show where you two guys coaching people and then going to dinner and just talking shit. It would be a great show. I fucking love it when you guys – I really love it when you guys were in the corners when you get mic'd up. [1:32:35] I know, man. He's the best. We have a good time. It's great. The two of you guys together, it's a fun team. Everybody says that. Everybody wants to see a show with him, guys. I told him last night, when he's on your podcast, he's the best. You know what's so cool now, man? I have my 16-year-old over there. He's holding for us. It just makes me sad. That gets me emotional. Oh, my God. That's awesome. It's so cool, man. You know, he's 67. He's still fucking going, man. Long gone. He's the best. He's such a great person. But you two in the corner are so uniquely fun. It's so fun to watch. [1:33:05] television producer. I'm like, that is a no-brainer. We took our guy down to the flagpole. Maybe Paramount Plus. Listen to this. This new merger...

[1:33:15] Whatever was happening. We got some content here. New deal. That's exciting, I guess. We have Paramount Plus show. I think so. You and Ray Longo, Paramount Plus, going to pizza places, talking shit. I'm not against it. Going to the fights. Yep. Going to the fights, like talking about your fight. See, it's like a built-in show. You have fighters that you're training. You talk about how he's doing. Talk about how he came to you. You two guys just talk about the world. Yeah. Fucking producers. I'm in. Somebody get a little. Let's do it. Who keeps dinging? Is that me? I don't know. [1:33:45] It might be me. I don't think it's me. I'm pretty sure I've air-planned it. I think it's me. Yeah, it's totally a built-in show that you can't miss. Ah, we have a good time. You know what I mean? Like, you should do it. [1:33:59] You know, if you have the time, all I'm doing is you can find me at my school. [1:34:08] Or my podcast, Matt's Every Channel on YouTube. I'm having fun with that. What? What, guys? And then, uh... Dude, I'm having... Dude, I do movie reactions. You know what I do with that? [1:34:17] I watch a movie. [1:34:19] And they react in real time. I was talking shit. Watching a movie. Oh, that's great. I play my VR. Yeah. [1:34:26] which is fucking fun. And then I have people in, like I have Marab, and I have Keith Jardimian the other day. [1:34:32] Keith Jardine, man, let's plug his new movie. What the fuck was it? Kill Me Again. [1:34:39] Me and my wife went to Tribeca for the... And I saw Tate. Tate's in it, your buddy Tate Fletcher. What a sweetheart. He's the best. He's such a nice guy. I love that, too. Just a guy you want to hug. Yeah, a big, huggable person. Big, huggable bear. And it's almost... This movie, Kill Me Again, he written and directed it, Keith Jardine. And it's basically Groundhog Day, but a serial killer. Oh, Jesus. Oh, it's fucking... It's really good. It was...

[1:35:01] Listen, I wouldn't even bring it up if I thought it was shit, to be honest. It was a fun movie. You can get it on Amazon Prime. Yeah, I want to see it. I believe you. Yeah. Is it on Amazon Prime now? It's on Amazon Prime. You can buy it. It came out August 8th. And, uh... [1:35:14] And I'm proud of him. And what a sweetheart that guy is. Yeah, he's Jardine. Jardine's awesome. He was in a great movie called Shot Caller. [1:35:21] Yeah, that was a good movie. Fuck, Jamie Lannister. Jamie Lannister. He's driving drunk. He's like a yuppie with another couple. [1:35:30] Something happens, the guy gets killed in the backseat, goes to jail, kind of like... [1:35:36] You know, white-collared. The next thing you know, he's got a fucking show. He's not a bitch. [1:35:40] And now he's a hardened motherfucker. Fucking shanking people. Sean Bernathal's in there. Shot call. You like it. Shot call. I remember that. Look at this. Yeah. This was a good fucking movie. And Keith Jardine is in this. Was Keith a bounty hunter? No, he was in this called Ripper. No, but was he an actual bounty hunter at one point in his life? Shit, man. He didn't bring that up on the show. Unless he did, I would have remembered that. See if that's true. [1:36:06] I went over his whole fucking tour. I hope I'm not imagining this. He was more of a grappler than he was even a striker. Yeah, he was a bounty hunter. He was a fucking bounty hunter. Jarnim worked as a personal trainer, firefighter, football coach, minor, and bounty hunter. Damn. Minor and bounty hunter. That's two of the hardest fucking human beings that have ever lived connected to the world. [1:36:24] It's so funny. He's very soft-spoken, though. He's very, like, nice. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Summer means fun and making memories, but it can also feel like you're in survivor mode with packed schedules, keeping the kids entertained, and chaotic routines. That's not so fun. You've got to make sure that you're taking care of you, and therapy can help with that. From setting boundaries to making a space to recharge, it can help make your summer more balanced and enjoyable.

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[1:38:32] You've got to answer this to me because have you ever been mistaken for the techno viking? Do you know who that guy is? He does look like him. He does look like him. He looks exactly like him. The techno viking is a fucking guy. Jamie pointed out that that might have been staged. Really? I don't know. That looked like him. Jamie, Jamie. That ruins it for me, the techno viking. Jamie does not like the wool being pulled over his eyes, so he thinks that everything is staged. I don't know. [1:39:02] Everybody's having... There he is. So this guy, Keith Jardine, came in, he kicks the guy out. He looks just like Keith Jardine. It's already questionable that it's being filmed. And this guy's like... [1:39:11] center stage. Yeah, he's right. I mean, Jamie, you do have a point there. You got a point. Give this guy a bottle of water. Let's fucking go. Let's go. [1:39:19] Yes, there he goes. Dude. If I was still clubbing, this is how I'd walk in. Yeah, 100%. Look at him. There, boy. He's all mollied up. He's ready to go. Oh, yeah. Mollied. He's probably got... That guy's a boss. He's probably got one of them cruising doses in his system. Right? He's got his minions behind him carrying his blood. Probably legit Viking jeans, too, man. At least some of them. Fucking looks like it. [1:39:42] Yeah. Got his Thor's hammer around his neck. Well, he looks like the 21st century version of it. [1:39:48] Yeah. You know, what would the original Vikings probably look like those strongman dudes you see coming out of Iceland? I bet that's what giant motherfuckers. Can you imagine that? A bunch of half Thor Bjornsson showing up. Bro, who's that guy, that Viking dude that fights in welterweight? He just fought Chaos Williams. Oh, the one looks like a fucking caveman. And he brought up a thing. He got famous for being ugly.

[1:40:16] Is it Andreas? What is his name? Yeah. [1:40:20] He looks just like Keith Jordan. That's crazy. [1:40:23] It is Andreas. [1:40:25] Jamie, could you go to Chaos Williams Wikipedia and look up his MMA career? [1:40:32] Because Chaos is fucking good, man. He hits hard. He hits hard. Dangerous guy. He got worn the fuck out by this dude. This is another one of those dudes. Me and DC have been talking about this. [1:40:43] Extreme physicality is a tool. And Coleman used to say this. Coleman used to say that strength is a skill. Yeah. [1:40:51] And I was like, it kind of is a skill, Andreas Gustafsson. Yeah, this guy's fucking terrifying, man. He's a different dude. And what you should see, go to Andreas Gustafsson workout. Okay. [1:41:04] Just Google workout. [1:41:06] And this dude is a hardcore power lifter. Like when you see some of the shit he's doing, the amount of strength that this guy has, you're like, oh, Jesus. Like there's guys that are not that big, right? Like, you know, see that janitor who pulls pranks on Instagram who walks up to these big meatheads and lifts up the stuff. He's not that big, though. [1:41:36] incredibly strong and not look like a bodybuilder and that's this guy he's a 185 no he's a 70 no excuse me 170 170 but this motherfucker is so strong man when he gets a hold of guys he's just ragdolling people

[1:41:54] You know, Chaos has been very consistent in his career with good takedown defense. He knows how to fight guys off, dangerous striker, and he couldn't do shit to this guy. It was like a one-sided ass-whooping, like a real one-sided ass-whooping that I didn't expect. I was like, I thought it would be a good fight, and it was just a mauling, man. I thought Chaos was going to clip him. He could easily have the power that Chaos has. [1:42:24] dude just tucks his chin down and wades bombs at you until he gets a grip on you and then just starts throwing you around. It's 170? He's well-known. Yeah, he's 170. He's 170. [1:42:36] I'll tell you who's the dark horse in that division. Who's that? Sean Brady. Oh, yeah. Sean Brady. I don't even think he's the dark horse. No, no. I don't want to. After that Leon Edwards fight. People aren't talking about him enough, though. That's what I'm saying. Bro, that Leon Edwards fight was crazy. I'll be with them tomorrow. Yeah, shit. I'll be with them tomorrow, yeah. Dude, he's looking great, Sean Brady. I love his style. He's a monster. Yeah. He's a monster. It's so funny. I had him on, and he's like, you know, people are always talking about... [1:42:59] Me being short for welterweight, I'm 5'9". It's not like I'm 5'6". I'm like, ah! Sean! I'm your fan! Come on, man! It's funny. He's got that turtle muscle on his back. He's trying to get a... Crush your head muscle. He's trying to get that Ian Gary fight. Is that what he's looking for right now? Well, he'll fight anybody. Well, you know, I would love to see him fight for the title. I mean, I think that's a reasonable fight. Like, Jack Della.

[1:43:29] Who's next after Jack Della and Islam fight, which seems to be exactly what's going to happen. Who's next after that? Who's in number one position right now? I think Ian Gary has to be up there. It's Sean or Bilal. [1:43:43] Well, right. Ian Gary has one loss, right? [1:43:46] Yes. [1:43:57] But, you know... [1:44:00] I bet they're going to want Bilal to fight somebody else. They seem to have a hard-on for Bilal. I know. You know what I mean? Nice fucking guy. The numbers don't mean that's the fight that gets made. Right. Not always. I think Sean Brady's only one loss he has is from Bilal, right? Can you put that back up, Jamie, so I can see who else is in there? [1:44:20] Amen. [1:44:21] So it's like if you look at that division, that division has gone through so many different changes. [1:44:29] So you've got Shavkat who just had some kind of surgery that's undisclosed, right? Right. [1:44:33] We don't know what injury he's recovered from, but he had a pretty significant injury apparently. And then you got Leon. [1:44:41] Kamaru. [1:44:43] Michael Morales is the real dark horse of that division. Right. He fucked Gilbert Burns up. He fucked him up. Yeah, that looked like Gilbert just didn't belong. Sure did. And that's weird to see, right? I don't know if it's Gilbert. A lot of miles. A lot of fights. [1:44:58] I'd like to see Sean Brady get his shot.

[1:45:00] That's what we're working on. Dean Thomas. He must be strong. He's strong as fuck. He looks like he's fucking strong. Yeah, he wears all of us. Dude, I like his positional. His jiu-jitsu is very... [1:45:12] very good for fighting. I'll tell you, nowadays, I can't even watch some jiu-jitsu matches. I watch, it's just fucking a lot of scissoring. I'll tell you what, man, I was blown away by Kamaru versus Joaquin Buckley. I was blown away. Oh, yeah, yeah. He looked good. He looked like Kamaru, the champion. He looked like the champion. He looked like if Joaquin was challenging Kamaru for the title, that's the Kamaru that you would expect to see. That's what he looked like. [1:45:39] Good IQ, but also tell us to fight the ability to move right like you didn't seem hampered by his knees right things that people talk about we thought it was going to be the old ass man with them bad knees didn't look bad at all. No, and I think you know, it's a lot of it is mental strength of sure. [1:45:55] But it's also like he hasn't really taken a lot of damage other than the big high kick from Leon. And, you know, if you go and you watch his fights, he had a pretty good war with Colby before he won. I mean, they exchanged a lot of blows. You know, Gilbert dropped him. Remember that? Yeah. But overall, not a lot of damage in his career. Mostly he's been the dominator. You know, so even though he's 37, I think. Yeah. He's still pretty fresh. Yeah, he's all right. [1:46:25] his wrestling roots a little bit a lot of times the wrestlers get good with their hands and all of a sudden they forget about what got him to the show and he just straight manhandled he did but he also looked good on the feet man he looked good yeah he looked good everywhere in that fight disciplined and just good straight punches i thought sean brady looked great in his last fight with his hands too

[1:46:44] 100%. And to do that to Leon, where you know Leon knows he can't lose again, he lost the title... [1:46:51] And he wants to come back and get it back. And now all of a sudden you get this turtle shell motherfucker in front of you. [1:46:59] He seems insanely strong. How is Colby still in these rankings? I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. It's kind of crazy. I wonder how much of that would be because he's still super valuable. It's got to be. Yeah, because if you're a guy, why kick him out? If you're a guy like Shavkat and they offer you Colby in the main event of a fight night or something like that, [1:47:21] Great fight. [1:47:22] For both guys, they'll probably make way more money. Yeah. So how does that work with Paramount now? I don't know. How does that work? Here's the question. I thought you'd have the insights. Yeah, man. I don't talk to Dana about business. Right. [1:47:33] I heard they're raising the... I'm almost a socialist when it comes to that shit. I would be the worst. They'd fucking fire me for sure. I would change the pay structure immediately. [1:47:45] You know, but I wonder... [1:47:48] If you're... Can I get a pay-per-view? Yeah, you want a mint? That's the Mind Mints. That's Neuro Gum. The Neuro Mints. I have the gum. Oh, a Mind Mints. You want one? I need it for my fucking brain. Give me some of that. I've got one left in here. Nice. Take the last one. Oh, thank you. It looks dirty on the outside. You want some of that, Dean? No, I'm good. I had a gummy. Yeah, you had some of them gummies. [1:48:09] Yeah, I'm always giving myself mind mints and all that shit, and I'm still stupid. [1:48:14] What were we just talking about?

[1:48:15] The pay structure. Oh, yeah. How you change that. So they used to get the money from pay-per-view, right? So if you were a guy like Conor McGregor that's going to get two million pay-per-views, you get a percentage of that, and you're set for life, right? Yeah. You get one big one like that, and woo! How does that work now? So how does that work now? How does it work now if it's for free? There's no more pay-per-view. [1:48:35] He did say... I did hear him saying he's up in the... [1:48:37] The fight night. Yeah, the bonuses. I did see that. Yeah. The low-hanging fruit. [1:48:42] That's easiest to answer. Bonuses are obviously going up. That's great. That'll be big. And forget about the tide rising with all the other fighters. Just the number the bonuses bring to a fighter, it's millions of dollars. Okay. Well, that's great. Okay. So then there's a bonus structure, like if that many people watch your thing, you get millions of dollars. That's what he's saying. That would be cool. That sounds great. Paramount's got a ton of loot. And this is a great move for them. Good content, too. [1:49:12] We have free UFCs forever. That's crazy. That's crazy. And South Park. Right. And South Park. [1:49:17] and a bunch of other shows to this is a shitload of shows [1:49:20] All of Taylor Sheridan's shows were all Paramount shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But did anybody see this coming? No one saw this coming. Literally just finished up Yellowstone. Bro, I'm tight with Dana. And I talked to him about – we were talking about the problems with this and the problems with that. But I need to ask him this weekend in Chicago if it's true that the Netflix people wanted to stop the fights in the Apex. [1:49:39] They didn't want any fights in the apex. They wanted fights with big crowds. Yeah. They wanted it to be big. We wanted it to be big, big, big. Like all the fights, big, big, big, yeah. One of the best heavyweight fights of all time in terms of the result was Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic with no crowd at all in the apex in the small ring. Yeah. It was one of the best. You want to watch a guy in his prime who's fucking terrified, who's figured it all out,

[1:50:09] champion, but he's got a lot of miles on him, and there's a lot of wars. [1:50:13] And you see it with no one there. You're hearing the huff and huff of each breath. Every time Francis hits him, you fucking feel that thud in your cells. Hey, you don't got to sell me, man. I love watching fights at the apex. I love it. It's my favorite. Me too. I mean, I really believe that the smaller cage just forces more action. That's why the fights are so good. [1:50:43] The problem with that is, like, when you got a guy that is just very footwork-based and has developed his style based on a large... Yeah, you're fucking him. You're fucking him. That's a fact. Yeah, but he's developed his style based on his ability to move around a full-size cage. The Netflix thing is from a troll account, I think. Oh, a troll did it? I think so. Oh, that's good. [1:51:03] Well, who knows why they decided to not do it, but, man, whoever gets the UFC and does the no pay-per-view model, you just gained millions of subscribers instantaneously. But I'm also, like... Do you think it'll be better for the casuals now that everybody can sit? Oh, 100%. 100%. Yeah, for sure. Because everybody's going to get every pay-per-view now for free. Everybody's scrolling through the channels like, oh, let's see who's fighting. I wonder how much money I'll save a year now. And you turn it... You know, save me 80 a month or two.

[1:51:33] knockout you're like oh shit and then you're hooked and then then the next time it's on you're like oh the ufc's on and then boom you've got more fans i mean it's the most exciting to the this average spectator because you don't have to know anything you have to know shit to watch guys just go to war true i'm just surprised that espn didn't [1:51:54] Step up? Well, just, yeah. Well, I mean, at 7.7, like they probably was like, nah, we're good. Their app was shit anyway. [1:52:02] Well, Paramount's giving them a billion dollars a year for seven years. I mean, that's wild. That's a lot of loot. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited about that. And I'm excited about that. [1:52:13] Aaron Pico. Oh, yeah. This whole card is a very good card. I think it's the right time. Ron Murphy's no joke. No joke. I don't know. Who do you got on this? I don't know. I might be leaning Murphy's way. I'm not sure. I still am. Yeah. I think the UFC jitters is a real thing, man. It is. UFC jitters is a real thing, and Murphy is no joke. He is super solid, super technical everywhere. Good footwork. And if Aaron wants to be a boxer, this kid is really explosive on his feet, Murphy. He's got the wrestling tool. [1:52:43] He does, but he don't use it enough, I don't believe. Murphy, to me, is very much like Leon Edwards in his prime at 145. For sure. Very similar. Very similar. Strong everywhere. Super technical. Doesn't make any mistakes. He's good, man. I always think he's a more aggressive version, too. Leon could kind of cruise at times where I think Murphy's looking to finish it. He's world championship potential. He's certainly world championship potential. He is coming on short notice, too. Who is? Murphy.

[1:53:11] Yeah, but he's a consummate professional. Yeah, I was about to say, he's the type of guy who trains all the time. They said straight up, he's ready. They said three weeks might be too much time because he's ready all the time. Well, this is the word out of that part, that camp, is that that guy's always training, which is what you want to see from a guy like that who's undefeated, and also not getting the shine that a lot of other guys in that division are getting. Props to him for taking the fight, too. There's so many good guys in that division. [1:53:41] and everybody kind of got lost. Diego. Is it a five-rounder? It's the co-main event, right? It's a three-rounder. That's a three-rounder. Okay. Yeah. [1:53:49] Oh, shit. That could change. It's not listed on the website as the co-main, but... I thought it was. It's in their spot. It is co-main, but it's still three rounds. I read that today. That's cool. What I change is things. One of my paperwork. It's interesting because Pico is really good, man, but I would have liked to see him against someone to establish a name for himself. I thought he had a really good shot at beating Movsar. Well, Movsar is crazy because the grappling for Movsar is just off the charts, [1:54:19] kind of kicks that you're dealing with with murphy yeah with murphy he's he's gonna chop you up on the outside and if you're heavy on that front leg because you like boxing like oh a couple of those cap kicks change everything i know he's got a lot of spinning attacks yeah a lot of everything he's he's a problem he's a problem yeah yeah yeah i thought aljo beat i thought about it i thought alger won that fight only cooked around ended with with mozor on top but he was dominating that i

[1:54:49] Well, Mosvar's very, very, very good. But that's a good fight for Pico because Pico's an elite grappler, and he's got real dangerous hands. Real dangerous hands. I thought Pico would have beat him. It would have been a great fight for him. It would have been an interesting fight for him. This is a different fight. Yeah. This is a different fight and I think a more dangerous fight in a lot of ways just because of his style. The footwork. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be tough for Pico. He's tough, man. [1:55:12] Murphy's tough. And, again, he's one of those guys that is way better than his public persona. People don't know about him yet. There's so many guys in that division, man. That division's crazy. It's filled with killers. Filled with killers. This card's a good one. Killers and stars, too. Diego Lopez. Jeff Neal. John Silva. John Silva. Bro, that fight is going to be crazy. Are you going to say that? That's in Guadalajara. No, it's in San Jose. [1:55:42] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:55:45] It's in Texas. I might go to that. That John Silva guy looks like a world champion. There's another one. He looks like a world fucking champion. For sure. He's a character, too. Oh, yeah. The barking and shit. I like that. But what he did to Bryce Mitchell was just, well, he sent him down. You sent him down the banter. Yeah, for sure. Made yourself lightheaded barking out at the wolf earlier. Yeah, I got a little lightheaded. The fact that he was so relaxed and laughing.

[1:56:12] time and then submitted him and put him to sleep. What's funny about that is Bryce Mitchell, who just went down in weight, looked great. Great. That's the right division for him. That's the right division for him. I mean, he's got two choices. Bulk way up and cut down, which is what most of these guys are doing. Yeah. Or... [1:56:29] go to 135, which he looked great. And that was just discipline for him. He's got to live a better life. Right, because he was never real ripped at 45. Yeah. He's eating cornbread on the farm and shit. [1:56:40] I don't know what he eats. I'm sure he eats healthy. [1:56:43] I mean, he's a very good grappler, I'll tell you that. That guy's dangerous. He's got good jiu-jitsu. Really, really good jiu-jitsu. Really smart. I've seen a lot of his tutorials online. Yeah. Very, very good stuff. But, you know, John Silva's just a different thing, man. There's guys that are just better everywhere. Yeah. [1:57:00] And I thought he would have gave Ilya a problem. I think so, too. Yeah. Like, if Ilya stayed down and he fought John Silva, I thought that was going to be a problem for Ilya. Yeah. Both have one-punch knockout power. And John Silva's a very good kicker. Yeah. It's different. Like, Ilya does not throw a whole lot of kicks, and most of them are to the legs. Right? Ilya's not throwing any head kicks. Right. I'm sure he can. I mean, he might do that just because we're talking shit right now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what Ilya does do is he touches you, and that's what Feras Ahabi calls the touch of death. [1:57:30] When he did that shit to Charles, I was like, I can't even believe I'm seeing this. They folded him. Folded him. You look bad on the floor. He called it. I know. Celebrated the night before. Remember we talked about that? I think we were in the back time. I was like, yo, this is crazy, man. No one should be doing this. And he goes out there and does it. It's like Arnold on Pump and Iron. Remember he was telling me, Fragno, at breakfast. Did I call my parents? I won already. That's a big difference. That's a big difference, though. All he has to do is flex. In his underwear.

[1:58:00] I had to go out there and knock out Charles Oliveira with one punch. That was wild, man. That dude has power. He looked good on the floor, too. He was very good. Like I said, I saw footage of him and Merab wrestling. I don't know where they were. [1:58:16] I didn't see anybody get caught in the... [1:58:19] video but [1:58:20] Like, Ilya just seemed to be one step ahead in the wrestling exchanges, you know. So he's at least on Merab's level, and Merab's a savage. You know what he does? It's really interesting. He talked about it on the podcast. He trains each sport individually, and then he puts them all together. So he doesn't train MMA, jiu-jitsu. He trains jiu-jitsu with jiu-jitsu guys. So he trains with elite jiu-jitsu guys, elite wrestlers. He wrestles with elite wrestlers, boxes with elite boxers. [1:58:51] I mean, that is the way to do it. But if it's like messing it together off the bat. Yeah, I think so. Interesting how some camps don't do that. You go there and, you know, you have everybody's doing MMA. He's like entering into jiu-jitsu spaces, training there, entering into boxing spaces. I think it's a smarter way to do it. And because of that, like, we all know that the boxing in boxing is at a higher level than the boxing in the UFC. [1:59:20] that. There's no way. You're not going to be as good as him. Right, for sure. And so we know that. But if you can get more closer to that by training with them and only training with them,

[1:59:32] You get Aaliyah Taboria. Yeah. I mean, that's what you get. That's what you get. You get a guy who's boxing with boxers. Yeah, I think you retain more details. You know what I mean? But, man, the discipline you have to have to do all those things with the same kind of intensity and then put it all together. Yeah. [1:59:47] Well, that's why that guy's so good. [1:59:50] And that's the benefit of not having like this big camp doing it all. Like when you're just by yourself and everybody around you is helping you get to these places and do those things, it's a huge benefit. [2:00:01] And it's also like today we know what everybody else can do too. Like if you're at a certain level like Illya is already – [2:00:08] You know your abilities. Like, you don't necessarily have to be... [2:00:13] in a camp. [2:00:14] where there's a bunch of people. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you don't need that. Yeah. You know which guys you have to bring in for Spartan partners. Concentrate everything on you. That way you're not dealing with all these dudes in the locker room that maybe you got beef with. And Colby's talking shit about your girlfriend. You're just trying to use the sauna. Fuck off, Colby. [2:00:34] You know what I mean? It's like there's something to be said for them really small camps. [2:00:40] Yeah, I think as we move forward and evolve, man, I think that's the direction it's going. Think about boxing. Yeah, for sure. Could you imagine Floyd Mayweather in class with everybody else? Right, exactly. Okay, you go, I go. That shit ain't happening. Exactly, with a blue belt jujitsu class. [2:00:58] Yeah, exactly. That's a good point. [2:01:00] Yeah, I mean, and most of those guys...

[2:01:03] would take their camps outside. You know, like Muhammad Ali did it. Tyson did it. A lot of these guys, they would go somewhere. Go to Big Bear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Delahoya did that. That was one of their people. Yeah. Shoot. What about... Go get away. [2:01:16] Crawford and... [2:01:18] What do you think of that? Personally, I'm a big Crawford fan, so I'm going to lean his way. My only concern is just the size. It didn't look like Terrence's power transferred in the last fight, so now he's coming up some more. I think part of the problem with that is Majumov is really good. He's really fucking good. I just think Crawford is... [2:01:40] It's weird to say against Canelo, but I think he's the better player. [2:01:43] boxer, and I think he's the guy who can make the better in-fight adjustments if Canelo doesn't kill him. It's going to be interesting, I'll tell you that. What do you think? I don't know. You know, it's a big jump to go from 54, which was a step up from 47. Yeah. [2:01:59] So he goes to 54, and now he's going to 68. That's so much weight. A lot of weight. But Terrence, I think he's the best switch hitter since Hagler. Hagler was my favorite. I mean, they claim he's walking around like a buck 90 or something. And you do know he's a wrestler. So he's got that mentality to him. He also built up slowly. He took his time. It's been a long time training for this fight. He came on this podcast more than a year ago, and he was talking about that's the fight he wants. Nice. [2:02:29] That was a long time ago. So he's been trying to get that fight for a long time. So knowing after he beat Errol Spence that he wasn't ever going to fight at that weight again, and then going up fighting Madrimov, and then knowing he's got at least a year before he fights Alvarez, he got pretty big. Yeah.

[2:02:44] Yeah, I like him. Yeah, I'm leaning, bud. Yeah. He's slick, man. He's slick. [2:02:49] He's super intelligent. Like, he sets traps. He does stuff. And then, you know, there's a bunch of great breakdown videos of particularly the Errol Spence fight, like him setting traps. It's just he's a very high-level guy. [2:03:02] Canelo is dangerous. He broke Billy Joe Saunders' whole face. Broke his whole face. What he did to Amir Khan. Remember that shit? Oh, yeah. Oh, lordy. Oh, lordy. And never been down. [2:03:15] Never been dropped. Canelo's a stud. [2:03:17] Yeah, Terrence and I, they rented out the Apex for a while. I was training there. Kids running out. Kids running around all on the mat. I was like, get these bad-ass kids out of here. He was using the Apex? Yeah, yeah. Why was he using the Apex? I don't know. I don't know. I'd see every day. 30 people, you know what I'm saying. One guy running. 30 people. Right. Yeah. Half of them in suits. How many? [2:03:36] How many times did he use it? [2:03:37] Oh, he was there for a while. Really? Yeah. They were training at the Apex. Interesting. And this was getting ready for this fight? Yeah, getting ready for this fight. Well, that makes sense because the UFC is co-promoted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dana is a part of the – I saw on their website, I saw, like, you know, by the Canelo Crawford fight. In my head, I was like, holy shit. And then I was like, oh, yeah, Dana's involved with this. [2:03:58] Yeah. That's something you never thought you'd see. It's interesting because I wonder how that's going to – [2:04:03] affect combat sports. [2:04:06] What's going to happen? I mean, if the UFC model gets – if they start making fights that people want. There's a lot of fights that people just want. They just don't get – if David Benavidez and Canelo Alvarez were in the UFC, that would be the fight to make. The UFC would have to figure out – hey, guys. No, no, no, no. These are the guys. You guys have to fight. This is the fight. It can't be I'm going to do something else. I'm going to fight Jake Paul. No, it's got to be this is the fight.

[2:04:33] They've got to change their culture, though, because a loss in boxing means a lot more than a loss in MMA. The MMA fans are more accepting, especially if the fight was good, where in boxing their whole role is to build you to 20 so they can get you title fights, and they're finding people for you along the way. Well, Canelo lost to Bival, and he lost to Floyd, and I don't think it really damaged him that much. He's still a superstar. Well, at that time, Floyd was the superstar, so I think it probably – [2:05:03] at the right time. And Bival, like, I mean, again, Canelo was doing his thing, moving up in Wade and things of that sort. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As far as business model, I wonder if he's going to, with Daner involved, like, the problem with boxing is nobody gives a shit about the undercard. They show up for the main card. Is it possible for him to make it as exciting as a UFC where he's got [2:05:24] the whole lineup where there's fights you want to see. Is there that many boxes out there that can make that? Oh, yeah, for sure. They can do that. And they're trying to do that, and that's one of the things that they're doing with those Riyadh series fights. Yeah. [2:05:36] So, like, they're trying to create the league, and I think that's where it gets all into the legislation and all that stuff is changing the ILEE Act and all that stuff. Right, right, right. So, I mean, it gets a little tricky, but, I mean, the… [2:05:46] The goal is to create a league to where boxers can go, and then losses won't mean as much. That might change right there, because nobody really gives a fuck that much with the mixed martial arts. You got your fan favorites. You got guys you want to see. You got fights you want to make. People give them shit about what's the rankings. Pereira got knocked out by Izzy, and he didn't lose any. Nothing. Nothing.

[2:06:06] Zero. Exactly. And then he came back and won the light heavyweight title, and everybody's like, he's back. Yeah, he's back. He's shooting his arrows. He's back. Ah! Yeah. Best walkout ever. [2:06:16] Best walkout ever. No one's walkout is like his. It's hysterical. Calum Walsh and Fernando Vargas Jr. That's a good site. Fernando Vargas Jr. That's great. [2:06:26] Yeah, so there's two good fights underneath that as well, but it's like... [2:06:33] They're going to have to do this consistently, right? [2:06:36] And build these people up and have, you know, real good video series like the UFC does with Embedded and what they do with the countdown shows. And just really get everybody excited about it. I mean, is that a bad thing, though, for that? I mean, because people are being critical of the idea of that. But to me, it sounds like a good thing. To get a bunch of high-end fights on one card? Well, no, I'm just saying, like, the idea of, like, a league for boxers to where there's a promotion that will do stuff like that for them. [2:07:06] Well, it's all in how much money is getting distributed, right? So the boxers that make a lot of money are the Canellos, the Floyds, the people that are the superstars. They make a lot of money. But dudes that fight on undercards that you're watching on TV don't make shit. And that's where everybody gets confused. You watch UFC fights and there's people that are undercards that are making way more money than the undercard people in a boxing match. Way more money. Tons. Yeah, so it depends on who's on the card. [2:07:36] The majority of the money, I'm sure, is going to the top guys, whereas in the UFC, it's probably a more spread through.

[2:07:45] Yeah, but they don't have a high end that's the same. Like, Usyk made $114 million, something like that, for his last fight with Dubois. I don't even know how that's possible. How many buys did Dubois get? And Dubois made, like, $70-something million. They're just throwing that oil money around. It might even be selling Usyk's number wrong. I think it might have been, like, $130. That's ridiculous. No, crazy money. Crazy money for that Dubois fight. So that's the difference. So that's only possible with the boxing model. [2:08:15] Right. So the guys who eat the most are going to eat the most most with the boxing model. But the people underneath that are not going to be doing nearly as far. You think that fight made any money? [2:08:27] If I'm giving $200 million out between the two guys that are fighting the fight, they're not getting that many pay-per-views. Where do the money come from? They've got that black gold flowing out of that crowd, baby. I was about to say, that's crazy. How do you sustain that business model, though, if that's how they're doing it right now? People scream about these guys making more money, but the UFC would be out of business if they paid that money because they're just not bringing that money in. Or get the Saudis to pay everybody the same. [2:08:55] Let's take advantage of that black gold. [2:08:57] Those dudes don't give a fuck. Let's go turkey. That money for them is like me ordering a pizza. Like, hey, everybody, you guys want a pizza? I'll make a call. I'll get a pizza delivered. They don't give a fuck. They're making insane amounts of money. Like, we don't even know how much money they have because it's not public. It's not like us. Like, you know, like Bezos has to, like, disclose his wealth. Like, the richest man in the world. Like, are you sure? Yeah. Well, you got to think there's got to be so much if they're paying these guys $100 million. To box.

[2:09:27] world-changing. I think that's why Canelo was holding out with Benavidez. The number that I heard was $200 million. He wanted $200 million to fight Benavidez. God bless him. It seems like they're kind of close to that. Yeah. Well, you know, if they're getting in the 130s for Usyk, this is crazy. That's so much money. To guarantee somebody? If they do a new model, they... [2:09:52] Look, the early prelims... [2:09:55] Shit. [2:09:55] I don't miss those. You got Edson Barbosa on early prelims. This whole car is deep, man. I mean, that's a fucking sick fight right there. Yeah, two guys that want to bang it out. I like that Chakar close. He's never had quite his day. He gets to a certain level. Yes. And then, what is his name? [2:10:15] Parouche. Darouche. Give me another mint for my brain. [2:10:25] You know, he looked great in his last fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looked real good against Moicano. He looked real good against Moicano, right? Yeah. [2:10:33] He's a great fighter, and he's getting a little bit older, too. [2:10:36] Well, he fools you with that gray hair. I was going to say, he looks like he's 50. Yeah, he's still like 36. Yeah, he's not that old, man. He's a savage. He did great in that Moe Conno fight. Yeah, he's very good, man. It's a great time for watching fights. Who else is on the card this weekend? Jeff Neal. Jeff Neal and Brontes. Oh, that's right. Tim Elliott and Asikura. Yeah, bro. Brontes. Brontes and Jeff Neal. That could be a banger. For real. I think it all depends on which Jeff Neal shows up. 100%.

[2:11:06] 100%. Because if the good ones show up, I think he knocks Protas out. How about, I think Carlos Protas takes this in the first round with a knockout. Oh, and then it's Jared Cannoneer and Michael Page. That's the puzzle. How about how that dude just goes from middleweight to welterweight, doesn't give a fuck. Doesn't matter. And no one even seems to talk about the fact that he's going up and down in weight. I'm a huge fan. He's like 6'4". I'm a huge fan. He's so good. Crazy that he can make welterweight, but also just... [2:11:36] The only person who figured him out was Ian Gary. You've got to drag him to the ground. [2:11:41] Brian Bownall and Ruzaboyev. That's a good fight, too. That dude is gigantic. He was welterweight for a while, too, but he couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, remember? He lost to Joaquin. He was like a 6'5 welterweight. But he hits hard. [2:11:56] Dangerous. Dangerous, dude. [2:11:58] Yeah. [2:11:59] So he went up to 185. Yeah, he trains in Philly. I think he was out training with Homs out a little bit, though. Oh, yeah? Yeah, a little bit for this camp. Was this his second or third middleweight? Because he quit – well, I think that – [2:12:10] last Buckley fight, he was like, enough of this welterweight bullshit. A lot of these guys are killing themselves. Brian Battle is so... I love when he fucking... So that's his second fight. I love when Brian Battle fought in France. Was it? In Paris? Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's like, there's no way you think I'm going to lose a fist fight to a French dude. [2:12:30] There's no way the butcher... He's going to lose... He's a lot of fun, man. Brian Battle's a lot of fun. To a French dude. Perfect.

[2:12:40] They're all booing him. Oh, it was fucking great. That's awesome. Well, everybody's got to remember, that's what Colby did when he beat Damian Maia in Brazil. He was less classy, though. Way less classy. But he was going full WWE heel. It saved his life. It saved his career. Yeah, for sure. Oh, it made him millions. [2:12:59] It made a million. Because they were cutting them. Yeah. [2:13:02] sell your soul if you want. I agree. But there's something to be said if you're purely business-minded. Talk a lot of shit. About people's dead fathers, about their wives. What a piece of shit. You talk like that. You're looking over your show. He could be having a cup of tea in fucking London a year from now, 10 years from now. If Leon Edwards runs into him, what do you think is going to happen? Remember you brought up my dead father, motherfucker? I mean, dude, there's some stuff you could do for the entertainment, but then, hey man, [2:13:32] about repercussions bro you want to talk about somebody's wife or kids or a dead parent yeah it's the same thing even with connor in the beginning [2:13:40] He was a funny shit talker, and then it seemed later in the career it was more almost like forced. He got darker. He got darker. You know what I mean? He got darker. It's no fun. Well, it's also you're dealing with people that are dealing with the pressures of being at the top of one of the most dangerous occupations in the world. And every day when you go to bed, you know there's some dude out there that wants to kick you in the fucking dick. [2:14:04] He's out there right now. He's out there training.

[2:14:10] and over the course of time, they get neurological fatigue. You're just fatigued from just the strain. You just don't give a fuck no more. You just stop saying dumb shit. Then you get angry, and then you get CTE. So there's a lot of things going on. Also, the pockets get fatter, and you're under that microscope even more. And then there's... [2:14:40] You got to take him out. It's crazy. And he probably gets the good stuff. I might try Connor's Coke. You know what I mean? I've never tried Coke, but if I was going to, I'd try it from Connor. Man, it's not even like hiding it, man. Hey, bro, you got to love that part of him. Yeah, he don't give a fuck. He's a pure savage. Yeah, he don't care about nothing. He's a pure savage. And that's also why he was so good at fighting, man. In the middle of the Jose Aldo fight... [2:15:06] I remember looking in his eyes and watching how calm, like genuinely calm he was. I'm like, this guy just, and Dana said it best. He's like, he eats pressure. He just eats it. He likes it. He wants it to be chaos. It's got to say that, but they don't really believe it. [2:15:23] Yeah, I was at that fight. Thank you, Joe. [2:15:26] When he came in, like I tell this story to everybody about him. When he came in, did his thing, he ran around the cage. And then he went in the center of the cage and he just fucking went like this. Yeah. And the place erupted. And I was like, God Almighty, how fucking. Was that when Sinead O'Connor. Just so comfortable.

[2:15:43] I don't think she came out with this one. [2:15:47] It was one of them she did the walkout song for. Yeah, my wife filmed his walkout. She sang it live, and it was bone chilling. Fucking ain't right. Oh, shit. You know what's a funny thing is when you see a clip of him saying that [2:15:57] somebody's interviewing him and he goes about partying. He goes, partying is weakness for your soul or some shit like that. And then there's a clip of him now. [2:16:07] Fucking going. At least he's the Blade music. The Blade music. The Blade. [2:16:18] Right? That opening scene of Blade. But no, he was, man, he was something else. It's Chad Mendes, right? Oh, my God. Like how much shit he was talking to him, but just still in it. [2:16:27] Like, even... [2:16:28] He got rocked. He goes down. He still comes up and still knocks him out. Eddie Alvarez. Oh, New York. That's the class. My God. I mean, going up to challenge for a second world title and hitting the Matrix. Yeah. Full Matrix in a fight with a killer. Like, Eddie's a fucking killer, man. Definitely. What he did to Rafael dos Anjos to win the title. Yeah. Wild performance. Those fights that he had with Chandler that those guys took 10 years off each other's lives. Sorry, my ass. Go, brother. Sorry. [2:16:58] We got those toilets that have the... They're the best. There it is. There she goes. [2:17:05] This was the fight before. Yeah, this was the Chad Mendes fight. UFC 189. Oh. Didn't sound as loud. Totten.

[2:17:15] But the angel of spells. Or the levy swarms. Rang out. And the best part about this is how he walks out with his giant fucking leprechaun. [2:17:28] Conn's smile on his face. [2:17:31] Yeah, watch this. Get to where he walks out, Jamie. He's so tight in the springing of the year. While the world did get his way. Deep remains at the fearless man. But yet you've been in the fight. Yeah, he thrived in it. [2:17:58] shine through the foggy tear. Woo! [2:18:07] Alright, Jimmy. That was a fight that he couldn't even grapple. He couldn't even grapple in training camp. He fucked his knee up. [2:18:14] And that's one of the reasons why Chad was able to take him down so easily. [2:18:17] He had a hard time training for that fight. And he fucked Chad up, too. Fuck Chad up. We got to give Chad. He got up off the sofa for this one, too. Oh, yeah, he did, too. Took it almost seven days or something. Yep. [2:18:27] Bro, Chad's second fight with Aldo, he got fucked. I remember I reached out to him after the fight. I'm like, damn, dude, because the first round after the bell, Aldo cracks him and rocks him. Like, for the first time in the fight, he got rocked. And clearly after the bell, I'm like, damn, that's terrible. After you got knocked out by the guy in the first fight, you come back in the second fight. The first round's wildly entertaining, and then you get hit with a shot after the bell. Yeah.

[2:18:56] I mean, it was still a great fight, though. It was still a great fight, but it makes me wonder. Like, if that shot doesn't land... [2:19:02] That's a real shot, man. That was a different, that was like a real, like you're almost out shot. And if you get hit with one of those in a fight, that significantly changes the fight. Significantly changes it. Give me some volume. Left on the side of the head of Mendez. [2:19:18] Uppercut. [2:19:20] See, Chad still isn't recovered. Oh, way after the buzzer. Way after the buzzer, too. And that dropped him. But Aldo was coming on strong, clearly. Aldo was coming on strong. [2:19:32] Dude, Prime Aldo, I don't know who's better. That guy's a fucking monster. It's amazing how good he still is when he fights a hobby, and I think he laid his gloves down. I was like, damn, dude, he's still really fucking good and really fast. And down a weight class instead of up as he got older. Most guys don't go down weight classes. I know, but I mean, when you look at how muscular he is at 45, and then you think about what Max did to him, that muscle comes with a price. [2:20:02] Max was the first guy to really expose him and put that pace on him. Jose was all fast twitch. You know what I mean? Remember when he double-kneed fucking Cub Swans? Oh, man. How about this? [2:20:12] Merab didn't take him down. I know. How crazy is that? Couldn't take him down. How crazy is that? He does have great takedown defense. 38 years into his career. Yeah. Right? And Merab couldn't take that guy down. Couldn't take him down. [2:20:24] Bro, his bounce is crazy. He took down, what's his name, Peter Jan like ten times. Yeah, yeah. Couldn't take Aldo down. Yeah, that's wild. And Aldo's jiu-jitsu was good. Yeah, here's that double knee. Wow, what the fuck, man? And Cub was a stud, too. Oh, bro, he was a monster. Aldo was a monster. Look, he's trying to hit him even after the referees pulled him off. WEC was great. Damn, double knee to the dome. They had some talent. Oh, yeah, for sure, man.

[2:20:54] was in his book. He was different. The leg kicks? Remember he murdered Uriah's leg kicks? Oh my God. Yeah, Uriah, like that leg was fucked up, man. [2:21:05] He told me two weeks he was on crutches. The photos of them are nuts. Two weeks he was on crutches? Two weeks he was on crutches, he said. [2:21:10] Yeah, man. [2:21:12] He was in his prime. He was something really special. [2:21:16] You know, it's like, how long can you keep that up? [2:21:18] He's kept it up more than anybody, really, because he's still at a world-class caliber at Bantamweight. I mean, dude, for 10 years, nobody touched him. That's a long time, the reign, especially in a weight division like that where the talent just keeps coming. He just kind of gassed out in that last round because he was going for the finish. He emptied out, and Zahabi survived. [2:21:38] You could make an argument for Aldo, and that was a close fight. I didn't think he got stomped out or nothing. But, I mean, how good... [2:21:45] was he to himself to know that he's retiring probably because he feels like he can't do it at the level he knows he can and he's still doing it at a high level you know what i'm saying right but in his head he's like i'm not doing it at the level i want to be able to do it so i'm just gonna retire crazy crazy yeah [2:22:02] That division, man. Between 35 and 45, it's interesting that 25 gets so little love. Like, Pantoja's only 10 pounds lighter. I know, I know. He loves him. He's a straight-up killer. He's a straight-up killer. It is crazy, though. Like, nobody cared about Mighty Mouse, and that guy was maybe the top martial artist in the league. Oh, that takedown to arm lock that time. Oh, red board. I don't know if you'll ever see something like that again. But it's crazy that it's only 10 pounds. I know. How do you guys know?

[2:22:32] You can't tell the difference. How can you tell the difference? People get real weird. [2:22:37] They get real weird with sizes. They just have this bias. I mean, it was like our shit. We were lightweights, and they cut our division after that little tournament. Yeah. And who would have thought that the lightweights would be the best division in the UFC? It was going away, too. They asked me to go back up to welterweight. I didn't just go, all right. I mean, fucking. I was making weight. I was beating guys, you know? Well, the UFC just had a weird position. I mean, before it really took off, they were just trying to figure out, like, we've got to figure out a way to make money doing this thing. What do people not want to see? [2:23:07] If someone has this idea, oh, the problem is the lighter weight divisions. Yeah, yeah. Those are the most exciting. What are you talking about? They are. Look at it now. It's usually where the most talented is, too. Some of the craziest fights we've seen. Yeah. The 35, 45, 55. Pantoja's a great champ, man. He defended it, what, three, four times? What did he do? Well, he's so good, too. And he massacres everybody. Yeah, I know. Great jiu-jitsu. He's got heavy hands. Heavy hands. He's striking. Yeah. Takes torture well, too. Yeah, he's an animal. Yeah, yeah. He's an animal. He made Kaikara France look bad. [2:23:37] And the first fight was good. I know. They had a good fight like nine years ago or eight years ago when it was. But the difference between how much better Pantosha got right away was obvious. He's another guy. He was doing Uber Eats when he was here fighting in the UFC and he was still fucking working. He's a real humble guy. He's like a real, just the sweetheart of a guy. Good for him. It's a guy you want to see do well. Exactly. But that's why I wish the guy got more love. It's like, I don't understand.

[2:24:07] superstar. Right? You know? Just the idea of being a flyweight just has people spooked out to root for him. I know. I don't get it. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird, but it's always been that way. [2:24:18] Even Cejudo, you know, when he was a champ. And, you know, when Mighty Mouse was a champ, like kind of with everybody. Yeah, yeah. [2:24:50] I saw him talk. I don't know. Maybe the more paper he buys these days. Yeah. Yeah, I would think it may have been when Pantoja did it in Brazil because they probably had a lot of Brazilians on the card. Right. Right. Pantoja or Erseg. That was a good fight, too. [2:25:02] But I bet it's like not high. Yeah, it's pretty low. Yeah. [2:25:08] Shit, man. I enjoy it. [2:25:10] I enjoy all the fucking weekly. It's all I watch, man. I can't even watch the boxing. I wish I could. I don't know. It's not nearly as entertaining as the mixed martial arts. And the fact that there's one on every week, I just love it. I need it to be a good one. [2:25:26] Two good boxers. I'll tune in. I'm a boxing fan, too. But, I mean, if I have a choice, I'm going to watch it. Did you watch Usyk and Dubois? I did. Usyk is like Lemachenko plus 100 pounds. Yeah.

[2:25:40] great footwork. He's a great technical boxer. Now he's starting to put people out too. Before he was just out boxing people. Especially Dubois when you see what he did to AJ in that last fight. What is he going to do? He's beat everybody twice. [2:25:53] In the heavyweight division, who do they have left for them? Well, Tyson Fury was talking about coming back, but then it looks like he changed his mind. [2:26:00] He decided to get fucked up. Yeah, he's like, I'm sorry. It's a young man sport. Yeah. He's not wrong. He's not that old, though. He's not wrong. But if anybody could have beaten him, it could have been Tyson Fury in his prime. Because particularly, you know, in... [2:26:13] in moments in the first fight, especially in the early rounds, before he got dropped in the ninth, he was doing really well. He was lighting him up. There's more damage than we've ever seen Usyk take in a fight, ever. Mm-hmm. [2:26:26] and more clean shots that were landing. [2:26:29] Tyson was a fantastic boxer, too. Don't let the dad bod fool you. He was light on his feet, very technical. He obviously has a size and reach advantage over Usyk. When he gets that jab popping, he's tough to beat. Yeah, it's not just a jab. He's got a slick uppercut. He's got a crisp right hand. He's got great head movement. His defense is slick. He's an all-time great boxer. All-time great. Is Francis still boxing, or is he doing MMA? Yeah, he's going to do both. Is he going to do it again? Yeah. [2:26:59] their fight. That would be interesting. They need to make that happen. But boxing, you always get sucked in. It's like, there's these stories, like, are they doing that? Are they doing that? And then they don't do it. Are they doing it? Are they doing it?

[2:27:12] That's one of the problems with the sport. Well, this is the Benavidez-Canelo situation. Because if you ask the average, if you want a hardcore boxing fan's dream fight, it's not necessarily Canelo and Crawford, which is a great fight, but you've got this thing where Crawford's jumping off all this weight, and you're like, man, I don't know. But the great fight [2:27:29] Canelo Benavidez. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. That's the fight. Can't make it happen, though. It's been going on forever. Pacquiao should have fought Floyd a long time ago. That's what I was about to say. It happens all the time. You can't never make the big fights happen. That has to happen. That fight has to happen. If boxing is to be complete, if the circle of power is to be folded over onto whatever, the rocks you get for your ring, whatever Thanos gets, infinity stones. Oh, sorry, guys. [2:27:59] He had the gauntlet. All right. That's the only way it happens. [2:28:05] You have to have that fight. That's the fight. [2:28:08] And if they fuck that up, and if, like, he goes up and now Benavidez is fighting light heavyweight more... [2:28:14] You know, it's like, I don't think it happens. In fact, I don't even terrible. I don't think it happens or it's going to be too late. [2:28:20] Canelo's probably won't lose the... People just got back surgery. Did he? No? Shit. Yeah. [2:28:25] He had it on his Instagram. He said his back's been fucking with him for 10 years, and he finally got surgery. Like, yeah. Well, that might or might not help. Bite back surgery is always like... It's 50-50. Shit, I had one, and knock on wood, it gave me my life back. I had sciatica fucking horribly. Would you get which surgery? They...

[2:28:44] Well, they did a laminectomy from L2 all the way through S1. [2:28:49] So all of them were balls? Well, I had stenosis is what was happening, so the bones were growing and pushing on the nerves. I mean, I would get up in the morning and be fucking holding my wall to get to the bathroom. And still rolling, you son of a bitch. Still rolling. Now I'm back. Get your guys up. You feel better like you said at the beginning. 40 years old, always have these ailments. Always hurt. The back shit's the worst. But I had to get an epidural shot. Yeah, I remember. When I blew my back. Oh, I tried. I was trying those for the sciatica. [2:29:19] It was back in January. [2:29:22] New Year's Eve, I could hardly walk. And then I got Dr. Yasha on my black belt. I went to the city... [2:29:29] got the epidural shot, and that fucking started to bring me back. Yeah. But I literally couldn't walk through it. When I would go to brush my teeth, [2:29:39] I couldn't posture myself back up. It was crazy. It is the worst thing ever. Think about that and then knowing that you have a cage fight coming up against a guy who's the best wrestler in the division. That's what I said. How do you fight that motherfucker with a bad back? Well, shit, you saw the rematch. The first one's way better. Ah, shit. There's stuff that you can do for your back, but, man, it takes a long-ass time to heal back injuries naturally. What's going on with yours, you were saying? [2:30:09] Mine's a lot better now, man. And one of the things that I made sure I did this year... [2:30:13] is I do twice a week, I do lower back exercises, like core exercises with twists and lifting, like do back extensions with weights. That changed everything. Yeah, I do hypers and a reverse hyper machine for my lower back. I do that too, yeah. It used to bother me when I'd play pool. I'd be done. I'd be like, I'm real stiff, and that completely went away. Good. And really what it all fucked up was from archery because, you know, you pull one way all the time, and this side started getting this...

[2:30:43] You draw the other way now? No, no, no. I just ignored it and beat it into the ground. And even though I was in pain, I still kept shooting while I was in pain. So I fucked it up for months. Now I draw. I have a cable pulley system at my gym. So I hold a 10-pound weight, and then I draw 80 pounds like I'm pulling a bow. And I pretend I'm shooting a bow. So I do that for as many reps as I shoot arrows. I do that with my left side. So I'm more balanced now. And then the lower back exercises. [2:31:13] If you want to really heal something and really get it better and not get surgery, it takes forever. Let me ask you, with the bow hunting, what do you got against the gun? What makes you want to – is it more primitive? Is it more primal? It's definitely harder. It's more that for sure. It's more difficult for sure. [2:31:32] and it requires more concentration and [2:31:37] It's much easier to fuck up. [2:31:39] And that's why I like it. Oh, it's harder. But is it more satisfying? You can't compare. I've shot a lot of animals with a rifle hunting, and it's great. It's very effective. It's real smart. It's a good way to hunt. If you're hunting for food, like if I had to provide food for my family, I would 100% be hunting with a rifle. 100%. No questions asked if that's what I'm doing. But what I'm doing is I'm trying to get meat with my hobby. [2:32:03] So my hobby is archery, and calling it a hobby is a little disrespectful. [2:32:10] It's almost, it sounds very corny, but it's almost like a spiritual journey. Like you're going to the woods and you're sneaking up. I'm doing it with a guide where there's a good friend of mine and we go together. And we're sneaking up on these animals that are trying to avoid mountain lions and bears. And you're getting within archery range of them and just...

[2:32:34] launching a perfect arrow [2:32:36] That's how you get your food. So every time you eat your food, it's the best food in the world. But you're also thinking how you got it Like you worked hard for a whole year to prepare for it. You trained for I do cardio for I do weighted I carry a weighted backpack. I put this fucking 45 pound plate on my back and I walk around for hours I do a bunch of shit with it these these different exercises just for hunting training Well, how how much is how close is archery range? Like how close you had to get to him? I? [2:33:05] I'm comfortable anything inside 70 yards. [2:33:09] If I don't think the animal's moving a lot. So if an animal's moving a lot, like in the rut, sometimes they're fighting other males. So they'll run at each other and they'll come back. And then you can't take a shot like that because they're not going to be there when you shoot the – they're moving so fast. It's not ethical. With a rifle, you could. With a rifle, you just need them to stop for a second. Just stop for a second, ba-boom, and you got them. Did you ever shoot them but miss the kill shot? You got to go over to it and cut in their throat? No. [2:33:39] You hit them with a second arrow. Even if you hit them perfectly, and I've hit an elk perfectly before, if they don't go down, they're standing there. As long as they're standing, you hit them with another arrow. That usually takes them out. Yeah. You want to do it as quickly as possible. You got one, not enough. Now you've got to track them down. They're so tough. You'll track them, and you're like, this is so much blood. There's no way. This thing's not going to be dead five feet from here.

[2:34:09] hundred yards away dead. It's crazy. They're so tough because you're dealing with an animal that's like every day is mountain lion season. Every day there's mountain lions just sneaking up on them everywhere. [2:34:22] You know, if they make it to be seven, eight years old, which is when I start hunting them, like these motherfuckers. They're gangsters. Gangsters. They're wise. Some of them have one eye because they get their eye poked out by another dude because they get those antlers jabbing each other's faces. My favorite meat is the venison. Oh, my God. Have you had elk meat? Have you had any? I don't think so, no. I wish you lived here. I'd give you some. [2:34:52] I have frozen elk out there right now. If I had a freezer box, I could give you one. Shit, man. I mean, because they say the venison, they say it's gamey or something. Dude, not the way. He makes it like a chicken cup. Yeah, if you know how to make it. [2:35:06] It's all in taking proper care of it once you shoot it. If you let the animal lay out in the heat or if the meat gets dirty or if you accidentally cut the glands, they have these tarsal glands on their legs. That's a nasty smell that they're putting out so that the ladies hear it. The ladies smell it rather and the other men know that they're there. If that stuff gets on your meat, you're fucked. There's a lot of it that is bad preparation, bad care.

[2:35:36] Oh, so delicious, man. I love that shit. I don't have it often, but... [2:35:41] When I do, it's my favorite, man. The UFC PI should be serving that shit. I bet they serve, like, buffalo, though, which is also really good. How's horse meat? You ever try that? I did try that. How is it? Peck-o-peck. Do you remember that? I tried it in Montreal. In Montreal, there's a place called Joe Beef. Shout out to Joe Beef. Joe Beef. One of my favorite restaurants in the world. It's an incredible restaurant. I went there. [2:36:02] It's fucking great. What does it make you feel pal about? Is it tasty? Oh, well, I didn't ask for it. Let me just say that. They served it to us. It was like the guys who run it are awesome. We know them. I met them through Bourdain. And so they just served us whatever they wanted to serve us. And one of the things they gave us was it was like a loin of a horse. And I was like, really? This is like tenderloin, like horse tenderloin? And it was really good. It tasted like game meat. [2:36:32] No beef with Vitor Belfer and Sean Brady. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was a good restaurant. That's cool. [2:36:39] That's cool. Fogo de Chow last night. Just fucking wearing it out. Yeah, man. With the dark lord, John Danaher. [2:36:47] How's he doing? He's doing good. He's good. He wasn't in a rash guard. He was wearing a jersey. Yeah, he actually had a jersey on. What? When he walked up, I was like, what the hell? And he's walking very nice. That's right. His hips are feeling up. He's fucked up for a while. So did he get both of his hips replaced now? Yeah. He's always gotten out. Yeah. He's teaching over at Gordon Ryan's place. I was on a stay out of his second hip surgery.

[2:37:08] He looks good. It makes you wonder, like a guy who's that smart and that driven towards Jiu-Jitsu, like what would happen if he didn't have a crippled body? Oh, I know. You know what I mean? Well, even with a crippled body, when he was rolling, he would fucking destroy them. I know. Isn't that crazy? [2:37:23] Like, blown apart knee. [2:37:25] You know, reconstructed to the point where it doesn't even fully extend, right? [2:37:29] What has he gotten replaced so far? I mean, I know both hips. Did he get a knee, too? He might have got his knee. Because he said after the hip damage his knee so bad that he thought he's going to have to get the knee done, too. He's walking great, though. I was so happy. Yeah, he looked good. I'm like, man. Looked good. It's always good to see him. [2:37:45] Yeah, that's my thing now. I get to see him when I come out here. Your knee doesn't fuck with you, right? [2:37:50] My left knee? No, but I fucking... The one thing that really is, if I could just... It just haunts me, is because I fucked up where... You're supposed to step down with your bad leg when you get the surgery. I went up, I went to put up my curtain, I stepped down, and if you see... I'll just show you here. [2:38:10] Is something that's missing here? Yeah. Ooh, damn. My bicep. Yeah, you tore my calf. Oh, man. So, what the... [2:38:18] And it's fucked now? Sometimes it'll dip. So it sucks. I went to go butterfly sweep. I felt it get real tight. So I got the stem cells... [2:38:29] Shot right in that bitch. That's the only one that hurt because they said they had nowhere to go. But they can't reattach it? [2:38:33] I would have done that early. I didn't even go like, didn't. I went back to PT the next day. And I was dealing, I didn't want to go through another fucking surgery. I just got a new knee. So, man, the knee itself, dude, titanium.

[2:38:46] Add a name-y him, whatever the Wolverines call it. I've rated up. The knee's not bothering you at all. But I could block a kick with that. I feel great with it. And I'm rolling. I'm flexible. But I fucked up that. It's a little weak. It's a little compromised. Is there anything you can do with weights? I'm doing squats. I'm doing my regular squats. I have to do more with the weights. I'm thinking of single leg lunges with that leg. What do they call them? Bulgarian squats? [2:39:16] than one-fuckers. It's noticeably weaker, so I just got to do something with that. But besides that, the knee itself... [2:39:23] I just wish I didn't do that because I hear about Bisping running still. Yeah. If I run this fuck, I could dip with this. That is mine. The running thing is weird because it's like how much time do you have on those knees? Yeah, exactly. Like you kind of have to be. And you got to get them fixed again. But I mean, can they do that? Can they chop the fucking thing off and put a new one in and unscrew it? I'm not looking for fun now. I'm holding off on my right one for as long as I can. Is the right one still fucked? My right one. I just got shot some stem cells in there. [2:39:53] yeah i mean they're both just severely uh they're not my left now it's new but then it's just fucking arthritis man fuck it is i like an old man with the arthritis oh my arthritis but it's jujitsu yeah i mean i know also to get to 55 i used to just fucking have to run in the morning for 45 minutes low intensity but just still i was on a treadmill just fucking on enduro rush fucking just running so i must have wore that shit down man i'm sure well that's what this

[2:40:23] You know, which I'm sure is a lot of extra pounding. That's no good. I can't do that. Yeah, he's still doing it though. He's fucking long distance. Right. All I do now is jujitsu. I think he's doing better now, luckily, because for a long time, his neck was fucking with him so bad he could barely get out of bed. [2:40:37] Jesus. In his body. Yeah, I remember he had surgery, and like a week later, he was right back on the call. I know. Right back on the call. I was like, damn. You've got to be careful with your neck, too. Like, that's where the spinal cord is. I thought your spinal cord went all the way through your back until I had my back surgery, you know, but it doesn't. It comes down, like, maybe halfway. And so that's why when you have your neck impingements cause a lot of those fucking problems. That's why that Ernesto Hoost neck kick is so effective. [2:41:06] Who's kicked so many people in the neck Just whop He was always one of my favorite guys to watch Mr. Perfect [2:41:14] Yeah, one of the most beautiful kickboxers of all time. Like just the combinations he would throw. Pop, pop, left hook to the body, white low kick. And they ruined him with Bob Sapp. No, not crazy. Bob Sapp. Beat him twice. Beat him twice. Two times. Yeah, that'll always baffle me how Bob Sapp beat that guy. Well, you know what it is? Like this is one of the reasons why Ernesto wasn't like the best candidate for kickboxing to enter into MMA.

[2:41:44] Explosive right not like I don't like just would you launch himself? But crow cop was yeah when crow cop fought Bob Sapp crop cop fuck Bob Stop up because crow cop would just blast on you like full power full blast on you It's like it was a different kind of thing that he would do [2:42:01] And that's why he was so effective in MMA. Like, when he went over to MMA, all of a sudden he was this fast, powerful striker. It's not like a boxer who's going to move around a little bit and pick you apart for a few rounds. Styles matter. Matters a lot. Styles matter. I wish he would have been in the UFC in his prime. Yeah, definitely. He got over a little late. He had pretty good takedown defense, too. He was able to keep good range. He would frame guys off and everything. He was, I mean, and we all know about his, what was it, left kick cemetery? [2:42:31] hospital left hand cemetery. He fought Heath Haring and there's a shot of him throwing this low kick or this body kick deep into Heath Haring's cage. Like his whole rib cage is just collapsed and you just see Cro Cop's shin like basically touching his liver. It's insane. It's so deep. It's one of the most painful pictures you see from an MMA fight. Heath Haring. Remember that dude kissed him before the fight? Oh, he came. He came with one shot. [2:43:01] Yeah, in pride. Listen, man, you get what you do. It's the one in the upper left-hand side. The second one, that one right there. Yeah, that one. Look at that. Bro. Concave. Bro. Got to be some brokenness. And when you know how powerful Crow Cop's kicks are, and then you think about eating that on the ribs like that. Yeah. Oh, my God. That is crazy. It's like it's folding around his leg. Yeah. I mean, that's another one that he landed on. That's Josh. That's Josh Barnett.

[2:43:31] And how about the one that he landed on, Vanderlei? When he flatlined Vanderlei? [2:43:35] Dude, he had some wheels on him. His legs were big. And power. It's just the difference was like when he was throwing kicks at you, it was 100% gas. He was not feeling you out. He was trying to like let you know, motherfucker, there's some darkness behind your chest. You will see darkness and then you have a flashlight in your face. They'll be like, you okay? Stay put. Stay put. You're going to be okay. [2:44:01] Thank you. [2:44:01] But then Gonzaga did that to him. Oh, remember? I was there for that. He rolled over his ankle. Remember that, man? His ankle just popped out back in. And that will forever be known as the Crow Cop. So crazy. Whenever you see that happen, you always think back to what happened to Crow Cop. That was in London. We were there for that. Yeah. That's right after I got the belt. And I remember me, you, and Eddie went out and got some pasta. That's right. Yeah. [2:44:21] That's so funny. That was crazy. Gonzaga, people forgot about Gonzaga. I know. That was a big win, man. Holy shit. He had good YouTube videos. Huge. He's a big fucking dude. Big natural dude. The heavyweight division right now is so shallow in the UFC. It's so shallow. It's like without, you know. I just think they're all playing football and basketball, you know. 100%. [2:44:40] Yeah. [2:44:41] What about Johnny? What's Johnny? I hate to say. Walter Walker. Walter Walker. What about him taking leg locks at everybody? Yeah, I know. Like three in a row. Yeah. He's good. Looks good. Yeah, I mean, we need more of that. [2:44:53] We need someone to like if Aspinall is going to have he's got cereal gone. Right. So that's an interesting fight. And then who? There's no one after that. Jack Lewis, just on name.

[2:45:05] Derek would be fine by the way, Cirogan didn't have a bad movie not to keep bringing up movies, but I love movies, but a fucking KO with Cirogan, what is it? it's a movie on Netflix, he has his own movie it's an action star he's the star of the movie? he's the star of it, and you might be thinking, alright, how's his acting? [2:45:23] It wasn't bad! [2:45:25] Really? Fucking, he's the new Action Jackson. I'm only fucking around. Seriously? He's speaking in English. I do remember that. Is it in English? Carl Weathers? It's dubbed in English. But it's a French film. So how do you know if he's any good? What? [2:45:39] I mean, I watched it. Yeah, but I'm saying it's like it's not even his voice. [2:45:43] Well, you could see him. You say his acting is really good, but it's some other dude's voice. That's kind of crazy. [2:45:49] Well, I mean, it's... [2:45:50] Zero Gudge is not good. You don't got to hear it. It's called KO. It's called KO, but it's not bad. There he is. [2:45:58] Hey, listen. [2:45:59] You know, [2:46:00] It's not the best sign when a fighter starts starring in movies. [2:46:05] Yeah, you're right. I'm not saying that it's not possible for him. Is this new? Is this pretty new? Yeah. Everybody watch it. I don't like it for him and his chances against Tom Aspinall. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You better be training. [2:46:18] Yeah. If there's a world that can soften you, it's the world of acting. It's a weird thing, man. I mean, acting and music kills fighters. There's also a thing, like, once you become a movie star, like... [2:46:31] I don't know. It just doesn't seem to go well. Remember Tommy Morrison when he fought Ray Mercer? Right after Rocky. That was a horrible knockout. He beat him down. Mercer had him tangled in the ropes. And ropes punching him. Blasting away. Didn't Ray Mercer knock out Tim Sylvia also? He did. One punch. That was great.

[2:46:52] One Punch. Ray Mercer, man. And he did that, he was like 46. Remember when he, who the hell did he fight? [2:46:59] And it was like K1 or Pride. And they kicked him. And he just left the ring. Yeah. [2:47:05] It was Bray Mercer. I threw a head kick. He looked at him like he's speaking a foreign language, and he fucking just left. Really? Are you sure that was Mercer? I'm pretty sure. [2:47:15] - Well, what? [2:47:17] Can we find that? I don't know. I mean, I think one of the most interesting boxers that entered into MMA or entered into kickboxing was when Masato fought Cool Vince. Oh, yeah. Vince Phillips. [2:47:34] Yeah. Vince Phillips. Yeah. Vince Phillips. Yeah. Vince Phillips. Yeah. Vince Phillips. He couldn't do with them. He couldn't do with them. When was this. Yeah. He couldn't do with them. Chopped apart. Yeah. [2:47:47] before he's... You remember when Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson? That's right. Same thing. Shannon was on the podcast. He was telling me about it. He's like, champ, every time he hit me, champ. I was like, oh, don't let him kick me again. I've got to quit. How did that go? He knocked him out. Shannon knocked him out because Shannon hit him with a jab to the body. Uh-oh. Here's Ray Lurk and Tim Silver. So what happened was Tim was not supposed to kick. They only had this authorized as a fight, but since it was like an MMA fight, there were supposed to [2:48:17] boxing match. [2:48:19] One shot. So what it was was it was supposed to be a boxing match. They couldn't get authorized for it to be a boxing match because Tim Sylvia did not have a boxing record. Right. And so you can't fight a former world champion and you've had no boxing record. But you could fight him in MMA. It's a world champion versus a world champion. He knows that boxing is a sport that's in MMA. You could do that. And so they made an agreement. Okay, don't kick me.

[2:48:41] And I'll fight you in the cage. And then Tim opens up with an inside low kick. That's why Ray Mercer, you see, like, he drops his hands. Yeah, like, what are you doing? That makes a lot of sense. Because the original fight they were contracted for was a boxing match. Right. And Tim's like, once I got you in here, I'm going to kick your fucking legs. Yeah. That's kind of a cheap shot, though. If you make an agreement about that, that's a cheap shot. Jamie, play it again. Because when you see when Ray gets that inside low kick, he drops his hands. He's got this look in his face like, what the fuck is this? [2:49:11] She steps out, watch this, throws the cake. [2:49:15] Bro. He's like, bro. Yeah, like, oh, I can't believe this show. I love you. Oh, my goodness. [2:49:22] Timber. Timber. [2:49:23] Tim Burr. Out cold. Yeah. Ray Mercer. Good for him. [2:49:27] I mean, Ray Mercer could fucking punch, son. Into the shot, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. About to get full mount right there. Yeah. [2:49:37] It's kind of amazing how few boxers have actually entered into MMA. This was like he got tricked into this one, but it's only like James Toney. You would think more would too, right? [2:49:47] Well, I guess not if you see those Usyk paychecks. Yeah, but how many guys get there? Think of, you know, relatively speaking. Well, what do you think Spence and Crawford made? That was like a big fight. [2:49:59] I mean, they probably still made a lot, a couple, you know, a gang of millions. [2:50:03] Right. I mean, I'm guessing in the single-digit millions, though, not fucking hundreds of millions. I bet it's disclosed. See if you can find out what the purse was, Jamie. We need the next Art Jemison in here.

[2:50:15] Maybe 25 mil. 25 mil? 25 mil each. Nice. Nice. At least 25 mil for their five dozen feet each. But even still, it's such a small population of boxers that make that, as we said. Right. So you would think that Moore would go, you know what? I'm probably not going to make 25 mil. [2:50:33] MMA and make $100,000, $200,000. They've got to sit there and learn how many other skill sets, though. That's true. But if you're a guy like Crawford who started out as a wrestler, it's not that much. And there are some of them. I think the Citron brothers, right? One of them was a wrestler, too, I thought. Yeah, Kermit Citron? Yeah. Yeah. [2:50:52] I was digging through a boxing form. They didn't believe the Usyk payout numbers. Oh, they didn't believe it? They think it's bullshit? Yeah, I don't understand how they can do that. Unless you're just lighting money on fire. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. You mean about the Usyk numbers? Yeah, the payout. [2:51:03] Oh, really? Yep. [2:51:04] No one believes it. Oh, yeah, but that's just because they're haters. I mean, no one proved it. No one proved it. It's $200 million. It wasn't on pay-per-view. There's no, like, unless someone just gave him the money. Yeah, true. Like, actually let that money on fire. This is the thing. Those Saudis are known to do that. Yeah, they're crumbling. I mean, look what they did with that live golf tournament. Oh, I know. Basically, they just bought the tournament. And if they did that with basketball or with anything else, they have enough money to do that with basically all sports. I suppose if they did it with the John Jones fight. [2:51:34] John Jones asked Yossi for $30 million to fight Tom Aspinall, then pulled out two days after they agreed. [2:51:40] He didn't think it would come up with the number, and they did. Saudi Arabia was involved. He was hoping they wouldn't meet the number. Wow. Who said that? Ariel Hawane. That's what Ariel said, yeah. Interesting. I wonder where he's getting his information. That's interesting. He said earlier in the thing that he priced himself out of the Nganou fight.

[2:51:58] And he thought that that strategy would work again, but apparently they met the $30 million. And then John, a couple days later, did the retirement thing and said he wasn't going to fight. Why the fuck would he want to do that then? Yeah, I'm with you. Listen, it's a dangerous fight. I had to ask, but I'll do this. For sure. Especially at this point in John's career. $30 fucking million, though? I'll take the L for $30 million. Yeah, but he doesn't want the L. Here's the thing. The real thing is John's rich right now, right? He's already a millionaire. [2:52:28] that extra, it's going to be nice to have an extra 30, but the reality is he's rich right now. He probably doesn't have to work for the rest of his life if he doesn't do anything crazy. He still makes money doing his appearances and whatever else he's into. And he doesn't have to take that ass kicking. [2:52:39] Not saying that he would, but if you wanted to look at it from that perspective, like if it's a tough fight. [2:52:44] He's been through wars. The Gustafson fights, they all take something out of you. Yeah. And you've got to know when you don't want to do that anymore. And if that's where he's at right now, I hope he stays retired. But then he jumped right back in and said he wants to fight at the White House. Right. [2:53:00] So it's like it's so hard for those guys to let it go. When they do let it go, it's difficult to figure out who you are. Man, we've got to see where that train is going to go off the tracks when he's not found. [2:53:12] Train kept up rolling. It's like an Aerosmith song, son. [2:53:17] I mean, Guy's an all-time great, though. [2:53:19] I mean, if not the all-time great. I mean, I think so. You know who's doing really good lately? And I forgot who he's going to be fighting, but Dominic Reyes is. Oh, yeah. He's like Carlos Holberg. Crazy. Oh, he's like that thing. Carlos Holberg. That should be a good one. In Australia. That's a real good one. Holberg's legit.

[2:53:39] Olberg's fast. I know. [2:53:41] He's fast. He might be faster than... [2:53:44] Did Dominic Reyes. I'll tell you what, man. I re-watched Dominic Reyes, John Jones, and I could see Dominic Reyes winning that decision. That was a tough call. It's a close fight. I mean, I'm not saying I sat down and scored it, but I'm like, okay. [2:53:58] I could see the argument. I want to know John's story. How much coke did he do the week of the fight? You know what I mean? How about when he told DC that? Like, did I beat you when I was on cocaine? [2:54:11] Like, that's got to be the coldest thing to ever say, right? You know, they say there's nine years that a fighter can fight at his very best. [2:54:18] It's for most athletes. And I think they did this. Someone was explaining this to me. They think they did this based on tennis. [2:54:25] Because tennis is all about fast twitch and movement and the ability to explode back and forth. And they're not taking any damage. And you could kind of keep your level going at the highest level for about nine years. And then everything just slows down a little bit. It's just too many micro-injuries. I mean, the training for these things, that's the biggest thing, is the camps, especially as you get older. Fuck. You know, getting there in one piece is just... [2:54:51] It's just fucking rough. Almost impossible. If you want to just check all the boxes getting ready for these fucking things. [2:54:56] Yeah. [2:54:57] yeah you know and when guys get to be like 37 38 39 it's so hard to predict them to show up to fight i know i gotta make predictions i'm like well they're 38. uh now i'll tell you what dude i'm not counting out cannoneer anymore after he beat gregory rodriguez i was like god damn put it on him too put it on him and gregory tried to take him out in that first round man he he went all gas

[2:55:22] Gregory's a beast, too. Robocop. He just came back and knocked out the Joker. Fucking Hermanson. And that was brutal. That was a bad one. Yeah, I think Gregory Rodriguez would be the biggest threat to Reiner Derritter. [2:55:34] Thank you. [2:55:34] Oh, that's interesting. Good call. Just like when you think about styles. Right, good call. Just the biggest. I think he would knock Ryan DeRitter's head off. I like that. His striking is terrifying. DeRitter's got that knee to the body that is so interesting, the way he fucking forces you to clinch and then blasts that knee to the body. It's tricky. It's tricky. So good in the entrance with that knee to the body. Yeah. And when he did that over and over and over again, I was like, wow. He paid for it one time with that overhand. That's true. [2:56:04] Yeah. Throw that knee and fucking Robocop. People start waiting. That locked on his jaw. Yeah. But perfect nickname for him, too. I know. Robocop. He looks like him. He does look like him. That's a fight, right? DeRitter and Robocop is a fight. That would be a crazy fight. That's a good one. [2:56:20] That's a real good one. I'm impressed with his jiu-jitsu, that The Riddler, man. Am I saying his name right? The Riddler? It's The Riddler. Everything goes back to comics. He's so big. He's so big for 85. So is RoboCop. The way he handled Bo Nickel. He made the Bo Nickel small. That was a horrible matchup for Bo Nickel. But it was a lot of those knees to the body. Those knees to the body were nasty, man. He was so good at it. [2:56:46] He was so good at throwing that knee to the body. He's very calm, too. Oh, yeah. Well, he's been through it, man. I mean, we haven't seen him, but over in one I've seen him. That knee to the body is so nasty. It's so nice.

[2:56:58] It's so nice. [2:57:00] And he took a punch for it, too. It doesn't matter. Oh, my. That sucks. And on the ground, he's a monster. Yeah. What he did to Kevin Holland, I was like, whoa. Okay. Jiu-Jitsu's on point, man. So that's another 85er. I mean, think about that division. You got Fluffy. [2:57:14] who just has this breakout performance last weekend. [2:57:17] Hey, what about that African dude? [2:57:21] Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm scared of him. He might be the one. He is so big. [2:57:27] You know what I'm talking about? It's like Ngannou at 185. Yo, but he's fast. Does anybody know the African dude's name? Atier... [2:57:35] Something like that. Is it Goutier? Goutier. Goutier. It's like a weird... Atabi. Yeah, Atabi. Goutier. Yeah, yeah. That sounds more like it. Am I saying that right, Jamie? [2:57:46] she's looking for verification he's from cameroon as well yeah yeah he's scary he's real scary [2:57:55] there's dudes that just God just gave him an extra little extra little he gave him more than an extra little you know Cade's side man we watching these dudes he's punching this guy like in the back and the guy's like going there he is [2:58:10] Atiba Gautier. Yeah. And he's like 6'4". [2:58:15] 185 doesn't have an ounce of body fat on him. I mean, look at that photo of him. Just look at that photo. That's crazy. You know, [2:58:24] That's like one of those, the guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about photos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a few of those guys that just, they don't even look real. Rodolfo Vieira, he's another one. Yeah. You see him, you're like, how's that a real dude? So here he is, man.

[2:58:40] This is in his last fight. [2:58:43] I mean vicious power. Vicious power. Like that guy is just getting hit like yo somebody stop him. You were talking about the heavyweights man. I was upset by Buscema man. Oh Buscema? Buscema. Stephen Buscema. I've been watching Boardwalk. I was upset by Barada. Yeah he looked bad. Buscema. He looked bad. Horrible cardio. How about they fucking got rid of the other dude? [2:59:10] That's weird. Let him go. Like, you fucked up. No, I think they're going to re-sign him. I think it's just a matter of not having so many guys on the roster to have that burden to keep fighting them. That doesn't make any sense. If the guy's on a win streak. Yeah, but I think they're going to re-sign him, though. What? So it's just like they didn't sign in time? Well, you know, when they have so many guys on the roster, they have to promise them certain amount of fights. [2:59:35] So, so it's like, let guys go. So they don't have to promise them. Yeah. So they don't have to promise them fights. But then we're sure. I'm just speculating. That's why I do. If they don't. Yeah. Cause they have to pay him anyway. If they don't get a certain amount of fight or not. But I mean, you imagine you just fought. [2:59:51] your ass off, you beat Buchecha, and then they cut you, and you're like, what? I think what they'll do is when they need him again, they'll just get him back. I was disappointed in how bad shape he was in, cardio-wise. [3:00:03] I think he banked on that single leg, which was getting taken away. You've seen him fight that rug-rug guy or whatever in one? That was a crazy fight, a crazy war. He took a lot of torture. I was impressed because most jiu-jitsu guys, when they get hit like that, they're not out there for the fight. And then in this fight...

[3:00:19] Didn't look anything like the guy that bought it one, and I thought he was going to be better, you know, because he's training. Let me ask you this. [3:00:25] Thank you. [3:00:26] What kind of drug testing do you think they're doing over there? Come on, man. It fucking knows. What kind of drug testing? Drug testing? You got a point. Yeah. This is a problem with a lot of guys we got from Pride. Yeah. They come over with different physiques. They look different. Oh, yeah. [3:00:45] 100%. Mude signs with Octagon MMA. Faces off with Heavyweight Champ. Alright. Well, he's staying busy. [3:00:53] You know, the guy's good, and we need good guys in the heavyweight division. There's just not a lot of people. I mean, the thing about it is it's like – [3:01:01] You've got to be exciting in that division. You've got to be excited. Always. [3:01:05] He looks horrible. Yeah. I think if he looked more marketable, I bet you'd still have a contract. I know, but isn't there like something to a guy who looks like shit and fucks everybody up? [3:01:15] There is something to that. Especially when the goal is to fuck somebody up. Look, when Fedor was in his prime, that was part of his charm. Part of his charm. A little chubby. A little roll around his waist. Right? Dead behind the eyes. Old man back and shit. How many guys didn't root for fucking Roy Nelson? I'm not saying he looked like shit, bro. He's like an everyday guy. I'm saying it. He's knocking guys out. He's fucking... [3:01:37] You know, people like that power that Roy had was crazy. He came over from jujitsu. Everybody knew he was a black belt in jujitsu, like always competed in Abu Dhabi and the circuit. And all of a sudden he's throwing a hammer. He got this mullet and shit. Hammer. Kamora Savage. Takes a shot better than any living human being that's ever lived.

[3:01:58] I mean, who took a shot better than Roy? He took some bombs, dude. That guy took some bombs and absorbed them. Nah, he was badass. And people loved watching him fight with that big belly. They loved him. That's me. Well, he played it up, too. That's me. Yeah, he'd rub his belly up. Yeah, so I don't buy that. It looked like shit. It's just the performance wasn't exciting. If you watched that fight, that fight wasn't a good fight. [3:02:23] But Buchecha didn't wrestle at a high level. He looked like garbage. If you're going to be a jiu-jitsu guy and everybody knows he's a multiple world champion in jiu-jitsu and you're fighting in MMA, son, you better have some. Take downs because ain't nobody going to want to be fucking grappling with you. Why would they do that? You're right. He was just banking on that single leg. And once he started taking that, he was taking away that single leg very well. And then I'm like, oh, shit, it was a long time. I was all excited. I go, oh, Buchecha. [3:02:53] I was like, go shoot me, Churchill. Let's see how this goes. What the shit? [3:02:56] How many times have you watched a high-level jiu-jitsu match between two black belts, and it starts in a standing position, and no one goes down at all for like 10 minutes? That's annoying as fuck. It's annoying. They're just tying up. There's no good shots. There's no one threatens to take someone down. Everyone's afraid to commit. When you start on your... [3:03:17] ass in class, then you never practice your takedown. 100%. You're right. You're right. Start on your knees. But it's also that no one wants to take a chance and open themselves up to getting caught, right? So you don't want to dive in for a double and then get caught in a guillotine. Shit, man. In Abu Dhabi, I pulled God every fucking time.

[3:03:38] your guard or being able to get back now they call wrestling up as i was doing that back in the day before it was called that but like you know if you're good at not letting somebody pass especially the amu dhabi rule set after five minutes you know all right now i'm on back if i'm good at getting out and getting up putting the guy down i'm you know what i mean i don't know it's all strategy with that but i hate when it's a stalemate which is two guys just fucking pummeling them fucking but i get it from the wrestler's perspective too it's like hey fuck [3:04:04] fuck sitting on your ass. Like, take me down, bitch. You want me on the ground? You got to take me to the ground. I get that, too, because that's correct. And that's one of the things that you see that's, like, very humbling for a real good jujitsu guy when there's no way he can take a guy down. And then the guy starts beating him up standing up. Yeah. And you're just rushing forward, trying to grab him. You can't get the fight to your expertise level, your area of expertise. It looks so bad, too. It looks terrible. It looks really bad. Nothing to fear from you standing. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. [3:04:34] Don Fry and Omri Batech. That was a bad one for that. That was a mauler. He was tiny, by the way. Omri Batech was a stud, but he might have done well if they gave him anybody else. But one, if you watch that again, he's way smaller. And that's a small Don Fry back then, too. Don Fry was $210. That was before he really got on the gas. Don Fry is a lot different than that Don Fry. Don Fry is a superhero. You know? [3:05:01] Yeah, he got gigantic. Even his mustache got bigger. I didn't know that that guy, the big Japanese guy, that they were punching each other in the face. I didn't know that guy became a quadriplegic or something. Something happened. I saw a picture of him visiting him. Look how small he is. He's a tiny dog, dude. Yeah, Don was not big. You know, look at Don. I mean, he wasn't a big muscular. I mean, obviously, super athletic. Different weight classes right here. Yeah, big difference. This is crazy. But not the Dom.

[3:05:26] from pride. [3:05:27] The giant roided up Don Frye from Pride was a different asshole. This poor Amari was just trying to get him down the whole time. He just grabbed the fence. He grabbed the fence, yeah. Full-on grabbing the fence. Look, he's hanging onto the fence with shoes on. [3:05:41] That's the other thing. He's got wrestling shoes, which is also kind of crazy. That sucks. Poor Omari. I mean, he didn't have any fun. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah, I used to train with Omari back old school top team back in the day. It was a long fight. What do you think Omri Boutet's weight in this fight? I'm going to say it's around $1.70 or something. That's crazy. He looks small. I mean, look at the size. There's different weight classes. Big difference. Look how young he is. I know. [3:06:02] Big difference. No gloves. Yeah. Yeah, shit. It was 30 years ago, so. It was so crazy. What? 30 years ago? It was 96. Sometimes I forget I'm fucking in my 50s. 51. This is a catchweight. I'll be 57. It was a catchweight? Yep. [3:06:19] Did it say Omri Patech's weight? [3:06:21] I'm looking up a different spot. [3:06:23] He looks like a multiruit. [3:06:26] There was a lot of those fights back then. Oh my God. Tons of them. Catch weights? No, just crazy fights. Fighting someone way smaller than them. It's like Kerr and Fabio Garzell. Yeah, that's one of my favorite fights of all time. I was a big Fabio fan. [3:06:43] I give credit to Murillo Bustamante fighting Tom Erickson for 45 minutes. [3:06:49] Oh, yeah. Murillo was a jiu-jitsu guy that had some stand-up and had some wrestling. He took Lin-Lin down. Yeah, remember that? He stood on the feet with Chuck Liddell. I thought Murillo won that fight. He tapped Lin-Lin twice.

[3:07:03] Murillo Bustamante is one of my favorites to watch. The thing about the jiu-jitsu guys back then, some of those guys – [3:07:09] Fabio Gugel is another one. Fabio is a monster. Murillo is. Their jiu-jitsu games... [3:07:13] It could transfer over from gi, no gi, MMA, and it all resembles the same skill set. You know what I mean? But it could cross over. Mario Sperry. Mario Sperry, the Zen machine. Yeah. He was great, too. Yeah. You know? Yeah, man. A lot of those guys from that Carlson Gracie team, they had a real solid MMA. They had a real good team. In the jiu-jitsu game. Yeah. Couldn't doubt Carlson's teaching. Like, a lot of savages came out of that camp. A lot of them. Yeah. Including Vitor. Yep. [3:07:43] That's where I got my black belt from, from Laborio, from that camp. Yeah, well, Laborio was awesome. He was a good dude. Where has he been? He's in Orlando. He's got a school in Orlando. He's still got a school. Yeah, he's still got a school. And like a whole network. He's not involved in MMA anymore? No, no MMA stuff. Because I used to see him in the corner. Once you rolled out a top team. Never. [3:08:03] Nice guy. What a sweet heart guy that guy is. Yeah, he was. When did he leave top team? He left before I did. Really? Yeah. [3:08:12] I mean, he, in fact, like when he left, that's when they really hired me to like kind of take his place. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. [3:08:21] What is the other fight that I want to talk about coming up? Oh, Joe Pfeiffer. Oh, yeah. Joe Pfeiffer, yeah. [3:08:27] He's fighting Abus Magomedov. Yeah. Joe Piper. I like Joe, man. He's fucking tough. He's got some hands on him. Joe Piper thought that I was too hard on him in the commentary of the last fight. He's a sensitive guy. It's just because of his potential. That's all it is. I just knew that he was looking for the big shot instead of just letting it come. He was so good in the first round that, unfortunately, he had so much success and almost took him out that he started looking to take him out.

[3:08:57] And I think it freaked him out a little bit that Kelvin was still there. [3:09:01] You know, like he's like, yo, I didn't hit this dude with everything. He's still here. What the hell's going on? Nobody's got a chin like that guy. A little chubby though, Calvin. Yeah, he's up 70. [3:09:11] He's a 70. Yeah. He shouldn't be 85. But he's always had such problems making it. Yeah. Because he's disciplined. But you know what, man? It's just like if that guy was at the UFC PI and they gave him all his meals and he had someone babysit him and make sure you don't – just don't fuck off. Don't eat anything other than this. And it's like too many guys just want to feel comfortable. Yeah. It's like, okay, but you're not going to feel comfortable losing. Yeah. So you're fighting a giant. Yeah. And this guy is coming down from an extreme weight. [3:09:38] 185. [3:09:39] Verse 210. [3:09:41] Oh, Omri Pettac's 185? Yeah. Okay. Damn. He's also a late replacement. I gotta go back again. I'm sorry. Well, let's wrap it up. Oh, man, guys, my ass is stopping us. We've been doing it for three hours. Have we been? We've been doing it three hours. Okay. I feel you guys are gonna fucking curse me after this. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. We understand. Me and my ass. You've got a legitimate issue. I have a lot of issues. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong. [3:10:04] Ground patrol. Ground patrol. [3:10:06] Baltimore, Maryland. Can I have a fucking shirt? Ground Control Baltimore dot com. Crazy I didn't bring that on the shirt. I had it. Showgunfights dot com. I got you, Matt. Don't worry. Thank you. Medium now. Dean Thomas Fight Court, the new podcast. Oh, you got a new one? I always got it on. Dean Thomas Fight Court. At Be More MMA on Instagram, too. I'll see you this weekend in Chicago, right? Yeah, I'll be there. Matt Serra channel. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you done? No, I'm done. Matt Serra channel on YouTube. I'm having fun with that. I got a

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