Kathryn Hahn

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[01:33] How important is it for her to feel connected to the stuff that she does personally? [01:38] How is she dealing with this new version of... [01:41] fame and popularity and how is it changing your life and also how important female friendships are and [01:49] how you really haven't met everyone you're supposed to meet, even at [01:53] my age of 53. So I'm really excited for you to hear what Catherine and I talked about today. It was a really good hang. It always is with her. So check it out. But before we start, [02:05] Guess who we have as a special guest today? Talking about Katherine Hahn and hanging in the studio. Oh, only Patti LuPone. [02:14] If her Zoom ever works. This episode is presented by the Toyota Grand Highlander. Whether you're welcoming a new family member, starting fresh in a new city, or embarking on ambitious adventures, the Toyota Grand Highlander provides versatility for embracing life's grand challenges. Like how you can effortlessly tuck away the fold-flat rear seats for up to 97.5 cubic feet of cargo space. Perfect if your cargo is baby elephant-sized. [02:44] is up for every Grand Challenge. Learn more at toyota.com slash Grand Highlander. Toyota, let's go places. [02:54] What do you say? All I ever wanted was a really good hand. Patty, are you there?

[03:05] Have you joined us? She's not. She's not there. She's still not there. [03:10] Okay, so just to give you guys an update. [03:12] Patty just checked in and said, got it. I'll have to be on my phone. OK, putting on slap now. [03:20] I don't know what that means. I'm going to say, okay, ha ha ha. Okay. Thanks so much. [03:27] Okay, this is fun. So I don't know what putting on slap means. It either means she's slapping on makeup or that's some kind of Broadway term. There you are. Wait, is that a term, putting slap on? Yeah, slap is an expression for makeup. Yeah, putting slap on. [03:43] Ugh! [03:44] I love you, Patty. [03:47] I love you too, darling. Let me just put a little more slap on. So what are you doing these days? [03:54] Are you... [03:55] Yeah. Do you have a show tonight? No, I have a show on Monday, but what I have tonight... [04:00] is an opera. You're attending it or you're singing it? I am. [04:04] No, I'm attending it. My friend is taking me. Let me just get the eyeshadow on, darling. Who can talk when you're, you know, putting eyeshadow on? But I'll try. My friend that wrote it is here because it just premiered and we're going to the Senior Citizen Special. He's calling it dinner at 5.30. The opera starts at [04:26] seven and it's three hours long and so we're going to go and have dinner at the met and which is very exciting it's very you know you feel like you're in i don't know another you're in

[04:36] to mention when you go into the Metropolitan Opera House. But it's pretty incredible just to watch the people that show up and how they're dressed and how they act. [04:46] Carol, I'm ready for you. [04:48] Oh, you look fantastic. I look hideous, but thank you. [04:55] But let's talk about Catherine. Okay, let's talk about Catherine. So today's episode, we're talking to Catherine. We're doing this fun thing where we're kind of talking behind people's backs before they come in, just to kind of hear more perspective about them and what... [05:10] what you think I should ask her or, you know, what you'd be interested in hearing her talk about. And, [05:17] Tell me how you met [05:19] And, [05:20] your relationship with her? Well, we met on Agatha, um, [05:25] At the table reads, basically. [05:29] Catherine, because she was the leading lady, was incredibly generous and incredibly open and incredibly inclusive and embraced, I think, the responsibility of a leading lady. [05:42] And that's, [05:43] You know, that comes without fear, basically. And she was fearless and generous and... [05:50] And one of my favorite things about her is she snorts when she laughs. [05:56] So, you know, she's having a good time. She's a big laugher. She's a big laugher. But when you get to snort, something was really funny.

[06:09] And that's, you know, one of her best qualities, her snort. She is a real mix of a very poised and serious, dramatic actor and deeply goofy. Yeah. [06:23] Yeah. [06:24] Very. [06:25] Very funny. Yeah. And doesn't take it seriously, which is great. You know what I mean? I'm going to ask her about this, but I want to ask you, too. I mean, the response has been huge for Agatha. It's everywhere. It's viral tick tocks. It's people waiting for you at the airport. Like the the way you get this giant. [06:45] Mm-hmm. [06:46] a huge new group of people who know you and know your work. What has that been like? I don't have the kind of response that Catherine has gotten. I mean, and I know that, [06:57] It's so weird because because I do so many different things, people some people know that I sing and do Broadway musicals and some people know me from Steven's Universe and some people know me from Life Goes On and some people know me from Agatha for Agatha. And the ones I've been getting more more fan mail about Agatha and I. [07:16] Which is great because who would think that? [07:20] I would end up in the Marvel universe, knowing nothing about it and choose to remain that way, knowing nothing about it. Any ideas of what I could ask Catherine today? Like any questions? [07:34] I'm sure she's ever thought about directing. [07:38] And would she cast me?

[07:40] I'm just curious to know whether she... [07:43] Would want to direct. And of course, I need to get hired. [07:46] and I think she would be a riot [07:50] behind the camera. I think, you know, they'd have to take take after take. If it was funny and she snorted, I think she'd be a great director. I think she would be a great director. Agree. All right. Love you, Patty. Thank you so much. [08:02] My pleasure. Talk to you soon. Bye. Okay. Bye. [08:05] This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost? Well, you can't get a summer blockbuster delivered, but you can get a block of cheese, a cabana. That's a no, a banana. That's a yes. A day of sunshine. No, a box of fine wines. Yes. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. [08:32] I'm going to order... [08:33] Grapes. [08:34] And then I'm going to put them in the freezer and then I'm going to have frozen grapes and feel very classy. [08:39] and very refreshed. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. For alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region. See app for details. This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like we all are these days, your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G data and

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[10:52] So you're saying with Hilton Honors I can use points for a three-night stay anywhere? Anywhere. What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris? Yeah, Hilton Honors, baby. Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad and Tulum? Hilton Honors, baby. What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives? Are you going to do this for all 9,000 properties? Yes. [11:14] When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay. [11:22] Everyone, this is Catherine. Hi, everyone. Thank you for having me. Catherine, I love you so much. Thank you for being on Good Hang. I am so happy to be here. I love you. You know, I've only done a few episodes so far. This is very new. And I got a note recently. [11:36] from the great Bill Simmons, who is kind of like a... [11:40] I guess my boss. But he is... [11:45] so good at podcasting and is, has created an empire and, and, [11:49] has allowed me to come do it. And he said, lose the ringer. And he said, lose the laptop. [11:55] why oh just so it's like more conversational i guess why do you i just before i do i just want to audition it one more time how do you feel about it listen [12:05] I think that that's fine for him if he doesn't need one. But if you need one, screw it. This is your podcast. Well, I want to say to you and Bill that – [12:15] I like to look things up on here. It does take me a long time.

[12:23] You're fact checking as it's going on. I think that's good. Well, I kind of was joking that I had it to just make it seem like I was fact checking. Have you ever used? Yeah, I did. Okay, okay, okay. If it's just there for evidence. [12:38] What if I was just watching? While I'm talking to you, I just have to catch up on the pit. [12:45] Wait, is that the medical procedural? Okay, great. With the guy who's already been on a medical procedural. [12:54] Okay, great. It's supposed to be great. It's so good. Okay, I got to get into it. And that's what I want to talk about today. Okay, good. I'm just kidding. Okay. I want to talk about paradise. Dr. Carter, aka Noah Wiley, is now in a new show, which is nothing like ER, but I'm a huge ER fan. But the pit is so good. So because Bill told me to get rid of the laptop, I'm going to put it in half math. Oh, good. And then if I need it, I do feel like I want to watch something with you today. Yes, keep it there. Okay. Yeah. [13:24] mask. Okay. Don't close it. But I, but Bill, I hear you and I appreciate the, the, because love Bill Simmons. Love. And I, I have to say, I'm still trying to figure out the process of this. So I so appreciate you coming in mid process. I'm so happy. I love mid process. You do. I do. I do because it's still, [13:47] Figuring itself out. So I like it. I don't like it's better. It's more interesting than a well-oiled machine. Ooh. Yeah. Tell me more about that because you're so you do you. I love that about you is you love the the the messy middle of stuff. I do because it's like a there is like a little on your toes feeling of.

[14:10] of [14:10] of growth that's happening while you're in it. And that always feels like super chargey to me. [14:16] If it's like, I don't know, it's more... [14:18] Sometimes it's good and you know that you're going to hit this, this, and this, but I love conversations, and I know you do too, that are a little not so prescribed at the beginning. You're so good at them. You're really, really good at... [14:35] hanging in. Ah, [14:38] Yeah, it's what makes you such a good person and friend, but and also such a good actor is you you can like tolerate the in between, which I don't know if I can. [14:48] I'm learning. I'm learning. Yes. [14:51] It is uncomfortable sometimes, depending on what it really is, but just to sit in it and let it [14:57] like I'm not talking about podcast, but like life or like schmack thing. Yeah. It's definitely like that in that kind of like uncomfortableness I think is, [15:07] Um, [15:08] Like the time that you're going to be surprised. Did you know that... Let me see if you can guess how many times, how many episodes of Parks you did. Would you know to guess? I would say... [15:20] Between seven and 13. 10. 10. Okay. Between seven and 13. [15:28] It's kind of right between. That's the thing. But it was such a huge impact on my life. Like, it's still the thing I get most recognized for. Really? Yes. And I just remember, well, first of all, you were the most incredible number one on a call sheet because you had dance parties at lunch every day.

[15:50] like set just was filled with such confidence and such joy, which is, I think, [15:56] Had the greatest time on that show. I have such... I don't have the greatest memory. That's where we kind of fell in love. But that is... That's really, Catherine, where we, I think, actually met. My first kind of, like, real memory is in the trailer of Parks and Rec. And... [16:11] we used to, Catherine is talking about [16:13] dance parties. And we used to do a thing where just like after lunch, we would play three songs. The great Autumn Butler, our makeup artist, had great taste in music. And we would just kind of dance around for two or three songs. Yeah. The best. I think for me, a way to honestly just keep my energy up. Yeah. But it became a way to meet people in the trailer. And I remember two things I... [16:35] Loved about you right away. How much you love to laugh. People that know you know that. Thank you. [16:42] If someone's going to break in a scene, it's this professional over here. You know, I don't. Do you think you break? I have to be really serious in my mind. Like if I have because if it starts to happen, it is tears. [16:55] Yeah. And mucus. But you, I have seen you in bloopers and you're hanging in. Yeah, I do hang in. You hang in. I do. Yeah. You, in fact, go in harder. I think when people are, I have to, I know it's a survival technique. I just have to dig in a little bit. I do. I go harder. I feel like every time I've done a scene with you, you are so good at improvising. In fact,

[17:25] Thank you. [17:26] Were they really? Well, one of the favorites, one of one of TikTok and memes and gifs is Poncho. Yeah, Poncho was. So let's talk about what happened. For people that have never seen that, what is it? What tell us what that scene was? Well, I went to Ben and Leslie's house. I'm speaking as Jen Barkley, my character. I'm first person. Well, for people that are watching, she just transformed. I just transformed. Her eyes turn dark and she's a completely different person. A lot more hairspray. [17:56] I am not into children at all. I wore a plastic poncho so that I wouldn't get any sticky fingers or crap all over me. And at some point, the kids rushed by with paint. [18:10] Nail me with the paint. And at some take, just to make you guys laugh, I don't even have any idea it was going to be any. I just swung my arms open. I went, Pacho, Pacho. [18:21] And that really has become like a thing. It's like Batman's cape. [18:27] I mean. Oh, that was the best. Like, just wanting to make you guys laugh. And just having so, the energy is so loose. So I like, it's funny you say that by improvising. Again, I can do it if I know who I am. And like the given circumstances and like that, I feel like. [18:43] I feel really free in that department, but just... [18:46] Well, you know how like we we were on set a lot and I would watch you work and I would say the same thing about Adam. And I wonder, too, if it's because of your both of your training. But. [18:55] I would watch the way you two worked.

[18:58] And. [19:00] You would have a moment. [19:02] Where we you'd say really, really loose. And but just right before the scene. And I can think of a couple of scenes, the great scene where Jen Barkley is telling Leslie, no, basically, you know, you have to start. Oh, you have to start thinking bigger, which is a huge moment in the show. I love the writing. And oh, my God, that's in Mike Schur. And the writers like, I just love how they slowly took care of Leslie. [19:27] And they sent people in to give her these messages. And Jen Barkley is just this, like, Gen X ball buster. Yes. Who – [19:39] who kind of sees something that Leslie doesn't. Anyway, in that moment, when you're giving that speech, I remember very clearly right before the scene, you just took a moment. [19:49] And I think we joked about it later because I, I was like, it was like watching, it was watching a real actor. Oh, God. Just staying one more second on Parks because I do think that, um... [20:05] it was such a formative time in my life, obviously, for many reasons, and one of them was meeting you, is – [20:12] What I always use that us as an example of is that you never know who you have yet to meet. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, when you're in your forties, there's this feeling that you've pretty much, you have your old friends, your high school friends, you have maybe a partner and their friends. You have your kid, mom, friends, college. Yeah. College. Yeah. You have like this, all these different groups of friends. And you think, I think I've met everybody that's going to be my close friends.

[20:42] those friends become just family. [20:45] You know what I mean? As everybody grows and changes and like people, they're so in my life, always, always, always. But we are very different people. I don't know what, you know. And you're right. There are people. [20:59] Like I think even I've been in a lot of projects where you get like intimate really fast and everybody says goodbye. But then there are certain people where. [21:09] you, I didn't anticipate this. Like I did, that was the, the, one of the pleasures for me too, is like, I did not anticipate that [21:16] You would want to continue to be my friend after we did it. And then the fact that it's gotten like deeper and deeper. I'm like, now I don't know how to do it. I mean, like, I am so grateful for you in my life. We've like, [21:29] we've been in the trenches. We've been in the trenches. Yeah. We have. Yeah. We have like, we've been through a lot of tough times together. Mm-hmm. [21:37] We've been very honest with each other. Yeah. We've like, I think we've really... [21:43] like taking great pains to see each other. Yeah. Yeah. Like we're making a priority. And I mean, I know how I feel about, [21:52] how important that is for me, but how are female friendships important to you? What do they do for you? I think that the real female friends that I have, the deep ones are fewer than I thought I [22:05] you know, have your back through anything. And there's a difference like these, [22:11] It's so important to have people.

[22:15] women. [22:17] in your life that aren't family. [22:20] to grow old with. [22:22] in a way that [22:24] It's like you said, feels very honest, but and also hilarious, but also doesn't feel like [22:30] we have to keep up any anything together, like keep up any sort of like front. It just feels like [22:37] And also very affirming, like to walk into these next chapters together just feels like it's not as terrifying. [22:43] Yes. The Witch's Road. The Witch's Road. The Coven. Coven on Coven. Yes. Yes. That's why. I mean, that is why when I watched that show, when I watched Agatha all along, that was so moving. [23:13] the longest. I know they will. And I think with [23:16] My dearest women friends, of which there are very few, that is such a source of comfort just to be heard by another woman. Yes. Without judgment, without like anything, but just... [23:30] Um, [23:31] Love. [23:32] I know. I feel you. Speaking of other women. Yeah. So we do this thing where we ask people before we have a guest to chat about the guest. So, like, I kind of like want to love it. And we got Patti LuPone. No, you did. Oh, my God.

[23:53] I'm so excited. The wolf. Patty. The wolf. The wolf. LaPone. Of course. The wolf. Of course. Oh, my God. I mean, this is going to be the best. Well, first of all, what if it was like, ah, ah. Well, she can't sing, but not talented. No, she she's so great. Isn't she? I know. [24:23] I know a new friend that I want to I mean, I feel like I have to stop telling her or I have to stop asking her if we're friends. I just have to start believing that we are. But anyway. Oh, doll. Color one doll. You're right to have someone that is like in a different stage of our lives. Yes. You can get us. So real. [24:44] Very, very important. I don't know about you, but I get very comfortable around. Yes. Older women who are very bossy. Yeah. Because I get very relaxed. Yeah. We're in good hands. We're in good hands. And the few times that I've hung out with Patty, she's like, we're going for a walk. And she tells me what to buy. And it's just. [25:14] Oh, yeah. Okay. And I remember when they said it was Patti LuPone, I was like, no. And then I met her at the first table read, and she just came in with so many questions, which, of course, like she knew nothing about Marvel. I barely know anything about Marvel. So she was like, okay. And it was just all of these very detailed questions. But then she just forgot, and it didn't matter. She'll still be like, I don't know anything about Marvel. She did. She told us that. She did.

[25:44] about which i love i mean and also and she said you guys met at the table read yeah and agatha was a really big circus oh yes and you had to do a lot of big stuff on there a lot of swinging oh my gosh so much you know uh if if one is acting is a little embarrassing oh right you had to do [26:14] and holding hands and singing. Yes. So much incredible stuff. But like walking in the razor's edge. Cause we knew if it went one way or the other, it could be like, Oh wow. And America voted and it worked. America voted for TikTok. [26:28] voted. TikTok is my government. Okay. I know. I got to get on TikTok. It's, it's, I think it's wrapping up. Oh, I know. That's my perfect timing as usual. Still my AOL. That's like me and podcasts. I'm like, let me get in there. And everyone's like, now? I'm like, yep. Right before the door closes. But just for a second, what was it like to be on such a big show, making, having to make really big choices with all these incredibly big [26:58] We're all, there was no trailers to go back to really because we were kind of far away always. So we would set up like a little coven of our chairs in a circle. So we're like all of our crew chairs would be in a circle and you could just hear us cackling like the whole, like, I mean, we just laughed. And Patty had a boom box and she would get up and like dance or start singing and we would all be like, it's coming out of her mouth right now. So Patty wanted me to ask you two questions. First, she said she loves your snort and we already got it.

[27:28] I thought like, oh, it's not as cute anymore, but it still comes out. I mean, you're talking to a person that laughs like a... I've been described as a raven when a raven... When someone runs over a raven's foot. That's how somebody described my laugh one time. So, I mean, I don't know what you're talking about. It's the greatest laugh ever. It's just, I have a very witchy laugh, too. You have a very witchy laugh and a very... You do. And it's a cackle and a very devious laugh. [27:58] laugh sometimes. I just love it so much because it's like a little devious. [28:08] And the huge cuddles. And you have a great laugh too. Like you laugh with your whole body. I do. I do. There she goes. But I really do. I do. I love a good laugh. God, me too. Have you always been that way? Was that where did we're like, have you always been that kind [28:28] school, it started for sure. And then I was like, you know, I went to an all girls Catholic school. So we had like a, I mean, that group was constantly making fun of the nuns. And so it was just like crying all the time, just crying all the time. Just like, uh, just floating maxi pads in the, like the St. Then like Mary's pond, like there's like a statue of Mary. And we just like, and then [28:58] Like always shit like that. Just like fun church giggle stuff. Stupid. Like you'd open up a locker and there'd be like a huge dick that would pop out on a spring. This proves my theory that Catholic school girls were A...

[29:11] So bad. They were so bad. Well, because... [29:15] Everything was, you know, uniforms and there was like church every week. And it all felt like, I don't know if I believe in any of this. Yeah. And then B, they were just like really... [29:24] ready to go. Oh, I was like, let's go, let's go. And there were, I was like, any takers, any takers? And there was not takers. So horny. And I was like, okay. I was like, is it my over plucked eyebrows? What's happening? Is it my Catholic school uniform that my mom thought I was going to gain maybe, or like seven dress sizes, but I was literally like, kids would go down and [29:54] me like in school so we had to wear boxers oh yeah boxers were a big deal that wait it was just all girls school yeah and they were pantsing you pantsing me skirting you in in i did go to co-ed catholic elementary school and we would have something called friday flip-up day so we knew to wear boxers because on friday all the guys ran around and flipped up your skirt oh my god yes and thursday throw-up day wednesday wedding day [30:23] I don't know what Tuesday or Monday was. And they would just flip up your skirt. And back then we were like, the price of being a girl. We were like, oh, we better get prepared. We were like, maybe someone will flip up my skirt today. So fucked up. [30:39] And the teachers were like, if you guys are doing the flip up, keep it outside of class. I don't want to know about it. And then I remember some guy, some kid, I was in sixth grade, called me gorilla legs because I hadn't shaved my legs yet.

[30:53] horrified by that. So I went home and I tried to shave and it was like a cheese grater. It was like I could see a curl of my skin before it started bleeding. And I was like, Oh, I still have scars. I didn't know how to do it. I went rogue with my dad's shaver in the tub. Oh no. That stupid boy. I was that stupid boy. No, I had a stupid boy. Tell me one time that I look like a frog that my face looked like a frog. And I just, I still think about it. I mean, [31:23] Well, I guess. Yeah. But you just get that thing where you're like, well, I guess I'll live the life of a frog. Like you just immediately like, well, if one boy thinks it. [31:32] Then it shall be so. Then it shall be so. Yeah. I guess they'll just flip up my skirt and wear my boxers and shave my legs in the bathtub and have a face like a frog. I mean, it's horrible. It's horrible. The shit I got from my nose. [31:48] My whole life. Really? For the size of your nose? Yes. [31:52] And that I had such a... [31:54] I'm a such a like thing about it that I was like, when I'm 18, I'm getting a nose job. And now I'm so glad that I did it. No. Yeah. And now I love my nose. I just think people should know that you have never gotten any plastic surgery. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I just think also we, I feel that way with you. Like this is a treacherous moment where you're like, have to leave behind all that currency that I really did. I wasn't, listen, I wasn't like. [32:21] that wasn't my currency in this business. It was never like... Same. Which I think is helpful going forward because it's not...

[32:30] Yeah, I'm like... But now you've gotten into mother phase, your mother Han. Now I'm mother Han because honestly, this is my Instagram thing that I haven't used in the first fight. I kind of petered out on the dumbest one. I just haven't done it again. I put it on my computer. [32:48] And... [32:48] Yeah, I haven't posted it. Literally, it's the dumbest last one. I don't even know what it is, but it was just petered out. And my daughter tried to find a name for me or like whatever handle. Is that what it's called? Yeah, I think so. And we couldn't find anything with my name. And then we saw Mother Han, lowercase. And I was like, oh, that's funny. And she was like, you know the other connotations, though. And I was like, yeah, fine, I'll be cute. [33:18] Um, the following, which I love. That's what I'm saying is there's this amazing moment that's happening for you in general, where, you know, people that have loved your work now for 20 years are seeing you get this kind of next level of, um, recognition and, you know, all that comes with like the Marvel machine. Yes. And there is this also celebration at the same time led primarily by gay men, but not just gay men, young gay women. [33:48] women who love the lesbian kiss that you had on agatha with her beautiful aubrey plaza yes like that are amazing aubrey deciding to just like be like mother and that feels like you're being anointed which i'm like it's ann bancroft in the graduate like that's what it feels like there's like a cougary vibe yes instead but i also think that there's kind of like a

[34:12] Because I don't, I mean, that's not who I am, but I guess it also means like, [34:17] I don't know. What do you think it means? I think it's like a way. Yes, I think it's like a way to compliment someone's [34:26] wisdom and fortitude without making them, while still making them feel sexy. Yeah. There's something that feels sexy about it because it's very dom. It's very like, she will. [34:39] crush you like it's a little bit like mother right um maybe you should have done your Instagram should have been you should have tried to spell that out but but also there's a reverence to it like a respect there's like a there's like a loving respect I I again someone else could probably break down the etymology and what it really means and we all know where it comes back it goes back to like the houses and you know like all the [35:03] queer culture back who are creating their own community and family. I love it. I know it moves me so much. Me too. And it's, and it's, it's just, there's some, something that's happening right now. I'm noticing in real time where women our age and our fifties in our business used to kind of just be. [35:22] on the way out. For the most part, there were a few, but a lot of them were not really regarded by young people as being vital producers of things. Yeah. And that is changing. It is changing. I never liked MILF. I hated MILF. Me too. Why do we hate it? Well, because it's,

[35:42] A porn term probably by a lot of young men that have a fetish for fucking older women. Yeah, I never. Mothers. Yeah, and also I didn't like it because it was like, oh, you'll still fuck them? Yes. Let me check. Yeah. They don't want to fuck in. [36:01] I just checked. Gut check. Gut check. Butt check and gut check. Butt check. It's not happening for you, Tim. And it's like, oh, great. I know. [36:12] Like, oh, God. Maybe we don't like it, too, because it sounds like milk. Yeah, maybe because, yeah, but it just feels like it's from the dude's point of view in, like, a gross, porny way. Yeah, mother feels a little bit more. You respect it. And it feels more gay adjacent, queer adjacent, so it feels a little. Yeah. [36:33] Which I love so much. I love it so much. I love the very young queer women that are [36:40] Um, [36:41] felt really like loved Agatha all along. Like that was such a huge part of our audience. That was very, very moving. I mean, you were the first gay Marvel kiss, right? [36:54] I queer Marvel kiss. I don't know. I have a piece of paper. Let me see. [36:59] yep it's not on the yeah oh yes yeah the first marvel lesbian kiss according to this paper that just flew in hold on it just floated down from the sky it's coming from the sky here we go but yeah it's pretty cool yeah that's yeah it's cool that's cool and with plaza so it just could not be cooler i know i know our beautiful baby plaza um uh what's going uh and i'm aware of

[37:29] 48. I am so fine with billing. Okay, just letting you know because I want to respect your boundaries. You have a long press day. And so I know you have to do a lot of talking. And you have to eat wings. You have to eat hot wings. I'm so sorry I don't have wings. I know I should be prepping before my diarrhea kicks in. I haven't asked to do that wings thing. You haven't and you're like, no. Absolutely not. I could say hate milk. So I don't know how I'm going to do it. This is going to be a disaster for you. No, it's going to be. Someone said peanut butter on toast beforehand. Line your side. [37:59] Thank you. [37:59] The things we go through for press. For no reason. [38:04] What do we have to do? We have to line our stomach? [38:07] How did this happen? How are we now eating spicy things? And spicier and spicier. [38:15] while being asked really interesting really interesting questions really great questions but um but the way in which we're like i guess yeah i guess for this show i gotta have diarrhea for four days for four days ring of fire but i also there's something about it that i was like yes because it just felt so um so unique that it's just this is a really good example of what [38:45] And I'm into it. You're into the lack of control. Yeah. And like, I'm like, am I going to vomit? Am I going to? I don't know. We actually do. That is actually Friday. But I have a lot. But other stuff. But I am. So it's a couple of days to prep my stomach. It's like a colonoscopy. It is. You're going to have to start eating light. But like in reverse. Because I think I got to line it as thick as possible. So there is no way.

[39:15] be lined with bread yogurt peanut butter and just bread shoved in there show business baby that's what that's why we got into show business to do stuff like that to just eat weird hot stuff on camera for free for free um but we were talking a little bit about the like way in which you're getting received like when you're out in public that's a little overwhelming sometimes because [39:45] maybe some other ones. And we were kind of talking about that feeling of like having to take on other people's energy. And how do you balance the introversion and extroversion part of what we do? Well, yeah. [39:57] Please excuse her. [40:17] Okay. Oh, God. Yeah, that's a good answer. You know, we were talking about hot ones for a while. You got all. Yeah. I need a Pepsi-C. [40:27] Okay, fans. No. You know, I mean, Marvel is a totally different machine, and I am so rarely recognized in my life. Like, you know, I just... [40:43] walk out like I don't think about it so I'm like you know I had one meal with Carrie Kinney Silver who I love so much and she someone came up to our table and was like sorry I have to tell you I love you and I think it's so hilarious you go out of the house looking like this and I was like oh thank you.

[41:04] My thing is when people go [41:06] Can I tell you who you look like? And I'm always like, please don't. No. It is never going to be great. It's never going to be great. Unless it's ScarJo or something. Like, it's never. And it's also... [41:19] So it's always someone who is a hard 30 years older than who I am, which is fine. But OK, so let's talk about Philly Justice before we talk about the studio and then we'll be done. Actually, one of the most the thing I'm almost the most proud of. OK, can you explain to people what we're talking about? OK, when we were there was a bunch of the Parks and Rec actors. It was Paul. [41:41] Rudd, you, Rashida, Adam, and... [41:46] And is that it? Yeah, me. We the original picture that Philly Justice was born out of was me, you, Rashida, Adam and Rudd. And it was we had like businessy outfits on. I think we were going to court or something or like so all of us had like very businessy. And I don't know whose idea was it, but we took a it was whose idea was it. [42:09] But we were all in like kind of staggered stairs and what looked like the front of like a very – [42:16] Um, [42:17] you know, a courthouse. We pretended we were on a fake TV show in the 90s called Philly Justice, or the early 2000s. Yes. All crossed our arms. Yes. Then that became a text chain where we started pretending that we were we were just pretending we had been texting each other. Like as the actors from it, is the pilot going to be picked up? It's like we were going to do like we were all very excited. It's like a David Kelly-esque show. So there was like some cachet. It wasn't like a

[42:47] playing like a lawyer question mark question we don't know and um who has it has a very tempestuous relationship with angie martinez played by rashida jones yes and we're not sure yeah a lot of past a lot i mean i think you guys are lovers amy please excuse her she knows not what she's doing like um robert durst when he's guilty [43:17] Every time I bring up being your lesbian tendencies, you start burping and we're like, hmm. [43:26] Okay. But, I mean, I remember thinking... [43:31] I can't believe how lucky I am that I'm working with people who want to also do this dumb thing. Yes. Like, yes. Fun, dumb things to me are a love language. That's a way of like it's like proves like safety, I guess, that if you're relaxed enough to do fun, dumb things and you're in the right place. Yeah. And the older and older I get. Yes. I feel like. [43:55] Just want that. Yeah. Like nothing is that important. Right. Great transition into your new show. And the studio. But it is. The studio is fun. It is fun. And you mentioned Catherine O'Hara. Talk to us about the show and the cast. I mean, Catherine O'Hara, another goddess that I couldn't believe. We've only have a couple of scenes in it, but I have gotten to know her like through the press thing. And she is like we were saying, like what I want to like. That's how I want to

[44:25] is, I mean, [44:26] On camera, not off camera, like just such a huge, a good egg. And it's Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. Seth stars in it. And they both wrote all the episodes and directed all the episodes. [44:39] With like one shot, they're all like one or there's some invisible scenes. Wow. I know. But it's really incredible because we rehearsed each scene like a play. Like we had to rehearse a gazillion times with the camera and then know when the camera is going to be on you and know like when to get out of the way for the camera. When still like try to keep eye contact. It was like the challenges were so big. [45:01] fun and juicy. [45:03] And and also you knew that if you fucked up one line in it, you'd have to go back to the beginning. So like the tension of everybody really added to the tension of this fictional studio, Continental Studios, that Seth Rogen just became the head of and trying to save it. Like it can't keep it from the streamers and also the like balance between art and art. [45:30] money, like block, but he's a lover of film that just wants to make like, [45:36] you know, fox catcher all the time. And they're like, you can't make it all the time. You have to make a Kool-Aid movie, you know? So it's like the tension between, and it's Ike Barinholtz is in it. Who's fricking hilarious. He's so good. Chase, sweet wonders, peach, hilarious. And, uh, Brian Cranston has like, uh, recurring as the, um, the money guy on top of the studio.

[46:06] your look is incredible it is incredible and I feel like there's a lot of [46:13] Humans in Hollywood that just dress label to label. So she's just totally got a girl at Saks who will bring the shit to the office. And she tries it on at lunch, has a tab running, running tab at Saks. Nice. And also probably, um, [46:31] you know, what is it? Delaney, that Dover street market, a lot of like street brands. She has a big nails. I remember that, right? Long, long nails and no personal life. So it's all feeling like a deep, empty hole that she gets, um, that she just lives at her job. And is it a weekly thing or can we say it's weekly? Okay, great. I have to say overall, I'm enjoying a more weekly thing because I feel like we binged too hard. I do too. [47:00] Yeah, it gives me a headache and also makes me feel like a little bit sick. The binging is too much. It's too much. It's too much. And you lose the, yeah, swallowed at that time. I was like three. I can't do three on your podcast. Yes. What is wrong with me? I just swallowed. It's a rule of threes. You have to do one more burp for comedy. Maybe that was the third night. It was just. [47:23] I swallowed it. And now it's just a hot assity mess. There are people I know that listen to these things and they have a hard time with whatever it's called. What's the word when you don't like mouth sounds? Oh. Misophonia. Misophonia. Where they don't like the milky mouth sounds of people, which I understand. I understand it. I understand it. The worst is when you're talking to someone and there's little white cream on the creases of their mouth. And then when they talk, you can hear like, and you just want to be like.

[47:52] slide them a glass of water. You want to slide them. And I feel like this is the end of our interview because where are we back? We're back to water. We're back to water. How badly do you have to pee? Not at all. I've been peeing this all the time. Oh, right. Next time I'm going to wear just, I don't even know how it works. If there's an adult diver, just a bucket. No, you just pee. The thing people don't tell you about podcasting, which I learned when I first started. You pee anytime. You just pee in your seat. All of the men you're watching, they're constantly [48:22] their table gross there's a stadium buddy yeah or have you ever seen the women's version of that i have it oh the way did you get it my friend gave it's like a funnel because you can be like so it isn't like a straight shot okay keep it in my car okay i thought you're like keep it in my pants i keep it i keep it in my bed no it's a it's a funnel that you i suggest getting it you use it for camping but i have it for my car because sometimes you're in traffic and yes and [48:52] Can you get that going while you're driving a car? Well, I have never, to be fair, I've never actually used it. Oh, okay. But knowing it's there. I know. That you have a backup. Maybe also sometimes if there's a questionable gas station restroom. I would rather cop a squat. I would rather pull over and pee than go to a gas station. Yeah, I've done that definitely in places that, [49:14] Um, [49:15] like the national parks where you like open the small one, it's just a whole thing. [49:20] Yeah. I just think I just I've just pulled over and opened up my car door and just peed.

[49:27] I think we all have. I mean, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Seriously. No, no one wants a UTI. And you can't be like a man and pee in a bottle like a. [49:36] Oh, my God. Have you ever been there? Some streets in New York City. I know this is getting long, but there's some streets in New York. They're like the like the arteries for getting off the bridges or whatever. If you walk down, it's like filled up. [49:48] Coke bottles with urine. Men are so fucking disgusting. But I have to tell you. Okay, last thing. I'm so sorry. Sometimes I'm like, women, lift up the freaking seat. A hundred percent. I'm like, I've sat so many times on other women's urine. Women, you cannot pee on the seat to protect your own germs. I know. You can't. [50:09] Not sit on a toilet seat so that I have to sit on it. Yes. Lift it up. It's disgusting. Also, if you're really that weird about it, put toilet paper on the seat. They have things for you. They have things. Don't squat on the seat, pee on it, and then leave. And then leave. You know what? [50:29] Women are disgusting or wipe it off with it. And you're like, I know you just tried to wipe it off, but it's still there, bitch. You're talking to a gal who left signs in a in a when I think it must have been when I was at SNL. I was like, who is peeing on this seat? Yes. I was like, hey, newsflash. This is a disaster for those that follow restroom for a lot of women. Yeah. Yeah. [50:53] Well, last thing, growing up in Cleveland, we had faulty, what's it called?

[50:59] You know, when you flush a toilet. Oh, plumbing. Plumbing. [51:06] Ah, age. But my dad had a sign above the toilet that said, poop flush, wipe flush. Because if you put the poop and the toilet paper in there, it would overflow immediately. Poop flush, wipe flush. Poop flush, wipe flush. I'm going to leave you with this. Anywho. But I think these are important things to say. They are. We don't talk about it, but these are... [51:29] But also, just women, lastly, lift up the seat. Just to clarify. Give us a bad name. You don't have to... [51:34] You don't have to lift it. Yeah, don't. Just sit on it. Sit on it. Or if you don't feel like sitting on it, lift it. Sit on the seat. Sit on the seat. What? Like, where are we? That's why they, just where are we? You're so lucky to have a seat. There's a lot of people that just have to squat. [51:51] If someone ran for like Congress and their whole thing was sit on the seat, they'd win. [51:57] They'd win. They would win. Sit on the seat. I'm going to start making bumper stickers. Okay. I'm asking a bunch of people because you love to laugh. You have a great laugh. I'm asking a bunch of people, what are they doing right now to make themselves laugh? Like what is the thing you're watching or doing or listening to? What cracks you up? Um... [52:17] My dog really cracks me up. He's such a little weenus. Everything. His name is Banjo, and he's such an idiot. He has a he's such a mutt, and he has his tail that's always so high. So he's got a really aggressive asshole. And everything he does is so stupid that he makes me laugh so hard. He's a dingo. Like everything he does. What does he do? What does he do? He'll get outside and he'll do less like back and forth as fast as he can from one side of the lawn to the other.

[52:47] He won't stop. And he has this corn cob that he can chew. It has a sound in it. And he'll just look at you and be like, and you hear the horn going on for so long. And so his anxiety is funny. He has had a cone on for a third of his life. Because he constantly is eating something. Or he'll look at you like, there's this blood gushing out of his back leg. And we're like, banjo! [53:17] his own little paw because he just was stressed out and then he keeps licking it. So he said, yeah. So who would play banjo in a movie if he was a human? Oh, it would be, it would be, he's got a lot of, um, white male privilege. He is so blonde. It's not Patrick Schwarzenegger because he's really great. Honestly, it's a young Leo is really what it is. It's a young Leo. It's [53:47] Yes. Right. His I don't know his name. We have a laptop. We can't figure it out. [53:54] Harris Dickinson. Harris Dickinson. Maybe it's a Harris Dickinson? Yeah, with a little more like... [53:59] I'll do whatever you say, but I forgot it already. [54:06] His day focuses at five o'clock. That's the only thing he holds on to is dinner at five. [54:11] Everything else is chaos. And all of a sudden at 4.45, he's like, I love him so much. Good news. We just heard that Austin Butler is excited to read for Banjo. Oh, okay. So, okay. Maybe. I'll put him out. I'm curious to see his tape. I'd love to see him read. I would love to see him read. I'd love to see him read. Can't wait to get the tape. Okay, I love you. I love you so much. Okay.

[54:41] hilarious friend. Man, that was so fun. She's so funny. And she was reminding us about dance parties, which we used to have on the set of Parks and Rec. And I want to remind you, you can always have your own. [54:52] All you need is three songs, one other person, and, uh... [54:58] And, [54:59] And. [55:00] the want and need to have fun. So, uh... [55:05] Do it now. [55:07] Let's start with [55:08] Brass in Pocket by the Pretenders. Take it slow. Warm up and stretch. Then go to Red Wine Supernova, Chapel Rowan, sing all the lyrics really loudly and point to each other. And then finish by going to the club. [55:24] with a little Rihanna. We found love in a hopeless place and pretend that you've lost your purse on the dance floor. [55:33] And run around. Three songs is all you need. [55:36] to change your day. Thank you guys so much for listening to another episode. Thanks for hanging. [56:06] Mind it wasn't really good, hey. [56:10] Close your eyes. Summer smells like sunshine, fresh citrus, and salty air. What if your living room could feel just like that? With Pura's new summer collection, it can. Restore your sense of well-being with fragrances designed to move with your day. From bright, energizing mornings to soft, relaxing evenings. Make the invisible unforgettable this season. Visit Pura.com to find your new favorite summer scent.